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Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Self-Initiative Project Podcast.

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I’m your host, Jim O’Brien. This time, we’re talking to my good friend and the

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guy that’s actually responsible for getting me into Krav Magaul around about

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11 plus years ago now, Jesse Walker.

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And he has his training school Rough Hands up in Louisville, Kentucky.

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and tell your friends and family about it because you know there’s no

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better way to get the word out than word of mouth so we’d

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appreciate that and thanks for being here today so with

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that we’ll get started jesse hey how are you what’s up

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jim how are you good i’m good so i

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always like to start these things as we were just talking about with you

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talking endlessly about yourself so tell us a

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little bit about your history who you are what you’ve done

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what you’re doing now so yeah perfect so

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yeah my story is always kind of weird i got i got started in martial arts i

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don’t know what i consider to be relatively late in life i probably didn’t start

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let’s say i’m 41 now and i started back in 2007 so 12 years ago ish.

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So i’m not one of those guys like i’ve been

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i’ve been at it since i was two years old i

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was always doing things but i didn’t get i

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didn’t get into the martial arts world until much later you

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didn’t have your black belt until you at age nine no

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i did not i did not it

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was much closer to age let’s see 35 ish yeah and interestingly enough i think

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that’s really kind of shaped shaped my my approach especially to coaching maybe

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not so much with the martial arts itself but with coaching,

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I think one of the things that really –.

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Kept me out of martial arts and finally

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got me in was i was i was

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the dude that was scared to go in just

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walk in the front door i was i was

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nervous about people not liking me

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me not being good at it you know

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but you know all the things that people worry about i mean i think ultimately

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that’s what kept me out um i was pretty overweight at the time and uh you know

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just i like to stay in the comfy confines you know my my comfort zone and i

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was just kind of having a little bit of a,

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an identity crisis you know what i’m gonna go do something that scares me i’m

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gonna go do something that just really pushes me right out of that comfort zone

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and i walked into a place i was living in Dayton, Ohio at the time.

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I knew about Krav Maga, and I was really interested in it, but,

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you know, over a decade ago, Krav Maga schools were few and fair between,

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so they just didn’t have an option in Dayton, Ohio.

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So I went, I went the closest route that I, at least what seemed the closest

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to me in my kind of shallow studies, and I found the Filipino martial arts.

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Holly a scream at stick fighting the

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knife fighting that kind of stuff blade sticks yep yeah and i found a lady that

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he was awesome i found a great coach and and i really enjoyed the people and

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and it was great it was perfect i was like i’m doing this this is my thing.

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Interestingly enough, there were a lot of other things going on at that school

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that in hindsight, you know, they had a Muay Thai program and they had a jiu-jitsu program.

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And I now I’m just like kicking myself.

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And why wouldn’t I do in all that stuff? Why didn’t I take advantage of it? Sure.

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But after a year, maybe not even quite a year of that, I moved down to Atlanta

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where I, where you and I come to cross paths. Right. Yeah.

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And Atlanta is a big metropolitan area

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and the very first thing I’m like man

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I wonder if they’ve got a Krav Maga school yep so I

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think I moved on a Saturday and I

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was in you know the the closest Krav Maga school I

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could find that following Tuesday and then

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after that it was like on like Donkey Kong right so

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and when when I see that you know most people that have

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trained Krav Maga they get bit by the bug and they’ll

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know they’ll know what i mean i’m going multiple times

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a day every day a week you know just i’m addicted

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yeah yeah it’s like taking that first

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hit a smack buddy and after that it’s just there’s there’s no end to the rabbit

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hole yeah and after about a year or so my my coach there asked if i would be

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interested in if i’d ever thought about teaching and you know becoming an instructor.

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I’m not sure it was something I’d ever explicitly thought about.

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I was honored and super interested to find out more about that.

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So I went down that avenue. And interestingly enough, it’s one of the things

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I’ve always really liked about Rav Maga is a lot of traditional martial arts, right? You get.

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Once you get your black belt they’re like okay you’re good to teach go go forth and do your thing,

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and you never actually have any real instructor training or

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they just assume because you got your black belt you can do that you can teach

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the thing right you do the thing you can teach the thing right and you know

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krav maga always took a way different approach to that and so they kind of did

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a stepped instructor approach where we,

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I went away for a week.

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You went away for a week too, right? Yeah. Yeah. And torture.

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Yeah. And they hazed you real good for a week. Yeah, you did.

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And then after that, yeah, you’re good to instruct this amount of material. Yeah.

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You’re, you’re certified to, to teach people this amount of stuff.

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Yeah. And then you would keep building up in your instructor range.

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As you built up in your kind of practitioner rank. Yeah.

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And I always thought that was really cool because it made coaching accessible

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to me at a much earlier stage than it would have in other martial arts.

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So I really kind of dove headlong into coaching.

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I realized that it was something I really had some passion about.

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And so i i ended up kind of leaving the school that i i spent a few years at,

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didn’t have a real good solution for you know i didn’t

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there weren’t other places i really wanted to go train i knew

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that i wanted to continue to teach so yeah it’s

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a bit of a pickle isn’t it yeah i

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decided maybe i just try to open up my own school yeah

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which is crazy right because i’ve got a full-time job

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and yada yada yada and but

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i’m like well let’s let’s give it a try there’s people that want to train with

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me so i i started teaching on my end it

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was going okay i got a little way late

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as as you know with a lovely little brain tumor and terrible sickness that nearly

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put me in the ground yeah i remember all but i i fought my way back out of that

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and And got back to coaching as quickly as I could.

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Actually found a new mentor and coach who finished me up getting me to my black belt in Krav Maga.

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I opened a relatively successful school in Atlanta.

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It’s actually still going. I’m up in Louisville, Kentucky now,

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but I left it to some wonderful folks down there.

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And they’ve kept the fires burning down there and are doing great.

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I came up to Louisville, Kentucky, four years ago-ish.

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Started a school here.

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And so we’re here now. I’m still teaching Krav Maga and coaching Krav Maga regularly.

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I, this year have also started coaching, uh, Brazilian jujitsu.

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I’ve always done a lot of grappling and stuff, but now I’ve kind of formally started teaching that.

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It’s great. I just, I’ve now gotten to where I’m coaching full time now.

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I’m no longer, uh, I’ve kind of stepped away from being a computer nerd.

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Yeah. Running your own rat race. That’s good. And a desk, and a desk jockey.

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And now I’m responsible for all the bad things that happen in my life. Yeah, right.

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It’s on you, which isn’t a bad thing. It’s a nice change of pace.

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It’s good and bad. It is on me. Yeah.

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That’s awesome. I was, we did a podcast sometime ago. I think it was our 12th episode.

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I believe this one’s 17 now, but we did an episode on Krav Maga and what to

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expect. I think that was our 12th.

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And I was calculating for that one when you and I met, because I made mention

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of you, because you’re the one that got me into it originally.

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You know, that’s been all the way back at 2008 already.

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Wow, that long ago. Yeah, 2008 was the carjacking seminar that I went to after

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you told me about it. And then I was like you.

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There was nothing to be found near me for the longest time.

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And then a Facebook ad popped up one afternoon. I happened to be on and see

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it. And it wound up that the school that I started with was literally like less

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than six minutes from my house at that time.

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Unreal. Yeah. So that’s been 11 years ago already. Over 11 years ago already. Yeah.

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Crazy. Time flies. Yeah, man. So, you know, we came up with this long list of

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stuff we wanted to get through today, possibly.

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But, you know, you touched on something and maybe it was intentional, maybe not.

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But I want to circle back on it because I think it’s a great place for us to start maybe. Okay.

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We were talking about yourself and why you didn’t get into martial arts to begin

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with because you were scared or didn’t know really what to do or you didn’t

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want to get out of your comfort zone. You know, I don’t think that’s uncommon.

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I think there’s a lot of hesitancy of getting into martial arts for those reasons.

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And, and, or I just don’t want to get beat up. Like I’ve got friends I’ve talked

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to about Krav Maga and they’re like, yeah, getting bruised up isn’t for me.

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Right. And I’m like, yeah, but you got to go through that. Right.

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Yeah. So, you know, I guess for me, that what I would say to that is for folks listening to this,

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don’t let those things be the things that keep you away from exploring avenues

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that you find yourself maybe being interested in,

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especially if you’re interested in developing self-defense and growing your

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personal safety portfolio, so to speak.

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People yeah well i mean i think that’s true

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in every facet of life i mean the good stuff

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happens at the deep end of the pool right yeah

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yeah nothing nothing good ever happens in the kiddie pool you don’t ever learn

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anything no breaking has ever happened you got to get in the deep end but with

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that said i think it’s important that you have to you have to find the right

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environment and also set expectations so.

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I can tell you, you know, one of the things I’m going to do is be any good at

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it. That’s what, that was accurate.

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Nobody’s going to be any good at it when they come in. No, no.

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That’s what you get for jumping in the deep end of the pool or the lions doing in the first place.

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Exactly right. So just accept that. You’re not going to be any good,

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but here’s the punchline.

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Everybody else that you walk into, they think that.

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And they remember the day that they walked in that they

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weren’t any good yeah and so they’re going to be sensitive

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to that right and it should happen and there are

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places out there that take advantage of those people and you feel like you just

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you know uh jumped into a shark tank but if you’re in the right place those

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people are interested in just sending the elevator back down getting you back

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up to where they are sure they want you to be as as successful as as they are.

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And they remember that day that they walked in and they were nervous and they

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didn’t know anybody and they didn’t know what to expect.

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So that’s fine. You’re not going to be any good at it. We’ll get that out of the way.

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Most places, you’re going to be able to find some camaraderie.

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Yeah. At some level. The people there are going through the same stuff you’re

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going through and you all are going to find some, some common ground.

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Now, if you are, if you’re going, and I actually recommend, go try a few places,

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you know, especially early on your journey.

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If you’ve got it available to you, go try a few different schools.

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Go see what’s out there because not all coaches are the same.

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Not all cultures are the same. I’m sure we’ll talk about that

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a lot because that’s that’s one of my big that’s

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one of my big soap boxes is culture during during you

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know coaching and all that stuff yeah the environment that’s

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created yeah yeah yeah yeah but it

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all that said like it’s it’s important

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to put yourself in positions where

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you’re uncomfortable yeah and that

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will transform into the actual

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practice of the martial art itself yeah you

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going in walking in the door the first time that’s probably the handiest thing

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we’ll do yeah understanding and i need to keep putting myself in these positions

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and literally and putting literally i need to keep making myself uncomfortable

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pretzel so i can figure out how to how to deal with it.

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Yeah. And that is…

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That is one of the deep, dark, unspoken secrets. You just don’t hear people talking about it a lot.

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That’s one of the big secrets to self-defense and fighting is the more time

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you spend in places that are uncomfortable, that would cause normal people to

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panic, and you know how to not panic and operate in spite of the discomfort,

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the more likely you are to survive a violent encounter. Yeah.

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No, I think that’s a really good point is it’s only through that abuse that

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you learn how to cope with it and get through.

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Right. And you start to even understand little things like, OK,

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there is a difference between being uncomfortable and being in danger.

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And that may be on a macro or a micro level right i may be doing i may be rolling

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around doing jujitsu and i’ve

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got this guy just smashing me and it’s uncomfortable man this sucks yeah,

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but i’m not in danger of getting choked and yeah there’s no joint locks happening

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i’m just uncomfortable okay well i can deal with that i’ll breathe through it

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that my brain okay i’ve been here before and I know how to operate in that environment.

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Yeah. And I think that is incredibly important. No, you made that point when

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I was up back in June and I was attempting to roll around and you said,

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you know, don’t relax, don’t sweat it so much.

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Like, remember there’s a difference between being uncomfortable or in discomfort and in danger.

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And that resonated with me because there is a big difference. You’re right.

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And we’re just playing. So it’s more about getting used to being in that discomfort

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zone right yeah so so that is the i think the other big point in terms of,

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getting people, getting people in here and getting them training,

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find a place that feels like play. Yeah.

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Find a place where you’re just going to rough house. You know,

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if you’re in a room full of just meathead murderers, which there are plenty

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of schools that support those guys. Yeah. Yeah.

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Maybe you’re not in the right place and that’s not, that’s not about you.

00:16:41.387 –> 00:16:43.267
That’s not saying something about you.

00:16:43.427 –> 00:16:47.747
That’s just not the environment that you need to learn in. And that’s fine. Not for you.

00:16:48.347 –> 00:16:53.307
Yeah. And that’s okay. You know, I tell people, you know, people hear me yap

00:16:53.307 –> 00:16:55.307
about this all the time. I’m sure they’re tired of it.

00:16:55.607 –> 00:16:58.587
I treat fighting like swimming.

00:16:59.867 –> 00:17:04.227
I think swimming is something everybody should know how to do. Yeah. Agreed.

00:17:04.847 –> 00:17:09.287
And when I talk to people about swimming, especially kids, right?

00:17:09.427 –> 00:17:11.147
You start asking them, why’d you learn how to swim?

00:17:11.387 –> 00:17:14.287
Because it’s fun everybody says because it’s fun

00:17:14.287 –> 00:17:17.027
i love it yeah we learn how

00:17:17.027 –> 00:17:20.247
to swim so we don’t drown right yeah at

00:17:20.247 –> 00:17:23.047
the end of the day yeah it’s fun but it serves a

00:17:23.047 –> 00:17:31.767
purpose too yeah and but and and i’ll tie this back to something else but people

00:17:31.767 –> 00:17:37.507
don’t come back and come to the swimming pool every day because they’ve got

00:17:37.507 –> 00:17:41.967
the lifeguard or their swim instructor saying, get in there.

00:17:42.107 –> 00:17:45.907
If you don’t do this, you’re going to die. Like you’re going to drown.

00:17:46.287 –> 00:17:50.767
And always someone always barking at you about the worst case scenario.

00:17:51.027 –> 00:17:54.427
Yeah. People come back to the swimming pool every day because of the high dive

00:17:54.427 –> 00:17:58.787
and Marco Polo. Because it’s fun. Because it’s fun. Yeah.

00:17:59.367 –> 00:18:03.867
And that doesn’t take away from the training, right? They’re still getting good at swimming. Yeah.

00:18:04.587 –> 00:18:08.187
And i treat and it’s the way i coach yeah

00:18:08.187 –> 00:18:11.407
i can teach you how to fight and i

00:18:11.407 –> 00:18:14.847
can teach you how to defend yourself without always

00:18:14.847 –> 00:18:17.907
without it always being so serious and morose in

00:18:17.907 –> 00:18:20.527
here yeah and always talk about well you’ve got if you

00:18:20.527 –> 00:18:25.547
don’t do this you’re gonna get killed and if you do this you’re gonna die i

00:18:25.547 –> 00:18:28.587
think we talked about this when i was up there too but it reminds me when

00:18:28.587 –> 00:18:31.347
you say that it reminds me of i used

00:18:31.347 –> 00:18:34.527
to work in an office and we’d get calls all the time

00:18:34.527 –> 00:18:39.507
weekly these fly by night security companies calling to tell you about all the

00:18:39.507 –> 00:18:43.707
burglaries and whatever else that are happening within just a few blocks of

00:18:43.707 –> 00:18:48.347
your office space and you really need to talk to us about security there’s a

00:18:48.347 –> 00:18:52.747
better way to go about selling security right i suspect well i.

00:18:53.586 –> 00:18:57.686
You know, not, I, not to point, you know, not to point fingers,

00:18:57.806 –> 00:19:00.346
but crime and God schools do the same thing on Facebook, right?

00:19:00.646 –> 00:19:05.226
Oh yeah. You go to, you go to any, you know, self-defense schools page on Facebook

00:19:05.226 –> 00:19:10.146
and it’s just article after article, like look who just got raped and robbed and you’re here.

00:19:10.226 –> 00:19:15.926
And you know, it’s going down and Kentucky, you better get in here so we can make you safe.

00:19:16.726 –> 00:19:19.146
That doesn’t actually get anybody in the door.

00:19:20.226 –> 00:19:23.506
No. And you know, but in fairness, you know, on that note, it,

00:19:23.586 –> 00:19:30.966
I think it does serve to point out the fact that bad things do happen and they can happen.

00:19:31.266 –> 00:19:34.566
And maybe that might motivate you because I think a lot of people too,

00:19:34.726 –> 00:19:37.926
and this kind of takes us back to the beginning, but I think a lot of people

00:19:37.926 –> 00:19:41.406
too opt not to study fighting.

00:19:41.946 –> 00:19:45.906
Get into self-defense, learn about personal safety topics, whatever it is,

00:19:46.006 –> 00:19:48.906
because they think it’s not going to happen to me.

00:19:48.906 –> 00:19:52.006
Or I move to where I move because there’s no

00:19:52.006 –> 00:19:55.226
crime out there and I move because it’s a safe environment and

00:19:55.226 –> 00:19:58.186
they never acknowledge the fact that those things

00:19:58.186 –> 00:20:01.106
go on or if they do they they just think

00:20:01.106 –> 00:20:04.066
that it’ll never happen to me whatever that is I

00:20:04.066 –> 00:20:07.426
think that’s right I think I’ve I’ve

00:20:07.426 –> 00:20:10.146
become a little more cynical in my old age yeah yeah

00:20:10.146 –> 00:20:12.986
that even that stuff doesn’t change those

00:20:12.986 –> 00:20:15.666
clients no and i you know not that i want

00:20:15.666 –> 00:20:18.606
to go down this rabbit hole yeah but i look at things

00:20:18.606 –> 00:20:21.966
like mass shootings right it’s not

00:20:21.966 –> 00:20:24.786
everybody keeps you know gambling on it’s

00:20:24.786 –> 00:20:27.566
not gonna happen to us it’s not gonna happen to

00:20:27.566 –> 00:20:30.686
me right and you know there are experts

00:20:30.686 –> 00:20:33.746
out there they can’t fix the mass shooting thing

00:20:33.746 –> 00:20:36.806
but there’s training out there in case it does happen

00:20:36.806 –> 00:20:39.926
in your space that you are a

00:20:39.926 –> 00:20:42.766
little more equipped to deal with that yeah well you

00:20:42.766 –> 00:20:46.006
know nobody that training i’ll never

00:20:46.006 –> 00:20:48.726
i never teach it yeah i never

00:20:48.726 –> 00:20:53.686
get i i’ve quit advertising it because it’s just i feel like i’m just yelling

00:20:53.686 –> 00:20:59.186
into a wall yeah well you know we do have insurance we’ve got fire extinguishers

00:20:59.186 –> 00:21:04.686
and the kids still as far as i know do tornado drills yeah so you know there

00:21:04.686 –> 00:21:07.946
is some merit to just knowing so you have a better chance.

00:21:08.266 –> 00:21:11.386
But again, that’s a rabbit hole. We don’t have to go down.

00:21:12.806 –> 00:21:17.326
So this, you know, back to getting into the school and the ways to think of

00:21:17.326 –> 00:21:20.506
it, you know, you, you mentioned something and I, I had a couple of,

00:21:20.806 –> 00:21:23.306
to me, they’re obvious points, but just to make them anyway,

00:21:23.466 –> 00:21:28.926
you know, talked about culture and building community and looking for people

00:21:28.926 –> 00:21:31.266
that you can make relationships with.

00:21:31.266 –> 00:21:34.366
And that being one of the things that bring you back in, you know,

00:21:34.526 –> 00:21:37.246
for those that are hesitant to consider because.

00:21:37.546 –> 00:21:40.486
You know, you think you won’t be any good or you won’t have anything in common

00:21:40.486 –> 00:21:42.566
with anybody else there, you

00:21:42.566 –> 00:21:45.786
know, right out of the gate, I would just point out that you have come.

00:21:46.006 –> 00:21:49.606
You have more in common with the folks that are already in those schools than

00:21:49.606 –> 00:21:55.286
you think, because everyone there is either there for fitness and or learning.

00:21:55.286 –> 00:21:57.206
Self-defense and or fighting.

00:21:57.206 –> 00:21:59.906
And if you come for any of those reasons right out

00:21:59.906 –> 00:22:02.666
of the gate the moment that you step your foot through the front door

00:22:02.666 –> 00:22:05.466
you’ve got something in common with most of the people that are

00:22:05.466 –> 00:22:08.426
in that school correct right off

00:22:08.426 –> 00:22:11.266
correct so yeah i had

00:22:11.266 –> 00:22:15.626
i had a gentleman come in last night and you

00:22:15.626 –> 00:22:18.446
know we we were talking i was actually trying to teach a class at

00:22:18.446 –> 00:22:21.526
the same time and so i could only do so much talking but

00:22:21.526 –> 00:22:24.286
sure you know kind of kind of helping i was trying

00:22:24.286 –> 00:22:27.146
to pitch the school to him kind of let him know who we

00:22:27.146 –> 00:22:30.286
were and what we were about you know he said he said

00:22:30.286 –> 00:22:33.206
something i think it’s i think it’s a really legitimate thing to

00:22:33.206 –> 00:22:36.006
ask you don’t hear people ask it a lot but he’s like

00:22:36.006 –> 00:22:39.066
you know i’m i’m talking about investing in

00:22:39.066 –> 00:22:42.046
this school and coming in here and spending time i want

00:22:42.046 –> 00:22:45.166
to be sure that you’re always all that you’re also invested in

00:22:45.166 –> 00:22:48.766
me yeah and i think

00:22:48.766 –> 00:22:51.986
that’s really valid thing to ask

00:22:51.986 –> 00:22:55.466
and i i don’t think that i don’t

00:22:55.466 –> 00:22:58.826
think that some school owners look at it that way but

00:22:58.826 –> 00:23:01.666
you know i’m not talking about i i said people come

00:23:01.666 –> 00:23:09.126
in here for a variety of reasons and as long as i understand your goals i i’m

00:23:09.126 –> 00:23:14.866
in it i’ll dig in with you you know if you come in here i need to lose 100 pounds

00:23:14.866 –> 00:23:18.846
we’re gonna work on that yeah if somebody’s like.

00:23:18.986 –> 00:23:27.986
I was sexually assaulted nine months ago and I was hoping to be able to come

00:23:27.986 –> 00:23:29.966
in here and not only learn self-defense,

00:23:29.966 –> 00:23:34.166
but start being comfortable again.

00:23:34.966 –> 00:23:40.186
Sure. Being around people, being around men, being around whatever.

00:23:40.526 –> 00:23:44.446
Yeah. Cool. We’ll work on that. Yeah. Like I just.

00:23:45.566 –> 00:23:50.746
But I need to know, right? So I think it’s really important that you let your

00:23:50.746 –> 00:23:53.106
coach know, A, and that if you

00:23:53.106 –> 00:23:56.886
don’t feel like you’ve got a coach that’s receptive to that, hit the door.

00:23:57.926 –> 00:24:03.846
Go somewhere else. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, and not to speak disparagingly

00:24:03.846 –> 00:24:08.166
about any one or more schools, but there are a lot of schools that are,

00:24:08.206 –> 00:24:10.546
you know, in it for the belt factories.

00:24:10.546 –> 00:24:13.666
And it’s not about the individuals. It’s about the mass, you know,

00:24:13.826 –> 00:24:18.326
keep the 200 students a month and make it about the money.

00:24:18.486 –> 00:24:22.986
And, you know, with that size, too, it’s sometimes hard to give that individual attention.

00:24:22.986 –> 00:24:27.046
But at least, you know, if you can find a school that’s willing and,

00:24:27.206 –> 00:24:31.846
more importantly, able to provide the individual attention and have that dialogue

00:24:31.846 –> 00:24:35.406
so you know what you should and shouldn’t be doing or can and can’t do,

00:24:35.566 –> 00:24:37.326
then I think you’re ahead of the game.

00:24:38.526 –> 00:24:43.886
But I think that that school is right for some people, too. And let me tell you what I mean by that.

00:24:44.266 –> 00:24:52.026
There are some people that they’ll be like, I just want my black belt in two years. Yeah. Yeah.

00:24:52.866 –> 00:24:54.846
They don’t care about what they learn.

00:24:55.786 –> 00:25:01.786
And of course, that takes my heart a little bit because I hope that they would

00:25:01.786 –> 00:25:04.526
also want to be walking away with some skill set.

00:25:05.446 –> 00:25:10.406
But man, if they just want to make a bunch of friends and come in a couple of

00:25:10.406 –> 00:25:14.846
times a week and get a black belt at the end of it, at the end of their contract,

00:25:15.146 –> 00:25:17.246
maybe that’s right for some people.

00:25:17.586 –> 00:25:20.226
Level up every eight weeks, you’re good. Right.

00:25:20.826 –> 00:25:24.406
Right. I mean, if that is ultimately, you know, if somebody walked in.

00:25:26.202 –> 00:25:29.782
And said that to me, like, I want to get my black belt in three years.

00:25:30.862 –> 00:25:35.802
I’d be like, it’s probably not going to happen at rough hands. Yeah.

00:25:36.862 –> 00:25:41.882
Yep. There is a lot of other goals that we can meet, but that one’s probably

00:25:41.882 –> 00:25:43.002
not going to happen. Yeah.

00:25:43.842 –> 00:25:45.602
Let’s dial it back a little bit.

00:25:46.442 –> 00:25:50.922
Yeah. Let’s talk about all the advantages and benefits of being here.

00:25:50.962 –> 00:25:54.082
And then if you still want to take that approach, let me know.

00:25:54.222 –> 00:25:55.482
But this may not be it for you.

00:25:57.042 –> 00:26:01.902
Exactly right. So let’s talk about culture, because I think that’s a big one.

00:26:02.022 –> 00:26:07.422
You know, a lot of times you, you know, that’s the trying to think what I want to say here.

00:26:07.562 –> 00:26:11.182
So that’s a big argument for like the, and I don’t want to deviate too much,

00:26:11.302 –> 00:26:16.862
but just as a similar analogy, you know, you hear about a lot about that’s the

00:26:16.862 –> 00:26:22.302
great thing about CrossFit is the community that gets built between the individuals.

00:26:22.302 –> 00:26:26.182
But I think that applies in self-defense martial arts school.

00:26:26.202 –> 00:26:29.122
As well yeah and helping to build

00:26:29.122 –> 00:26:31.962
the culture i think the first step is

00:26:31.962 –> 00:26:36.142
being welcoming to all the inner right correct yeah

00:26:36.142 –> 00:26:42.902
yeah i mean i i think that that i mean obviously it has to start at the top

00:26:42.902 –> 00:26:52.602
but you have to be very careful about and really into that garden and make sure that that,

00:26:53.102 –> 00:26:57.322
that culture stays a place you know we’ve been we’ve been messing around with

00:26:57.322 –> 00:27:03.942
the taglines at rough hands like we’re not the school for everybody but we are the school for anybody,

00:27:04.942 –> 00:27:11.202
yeah if you’re looking for a place to feel comfortable and i say comfortable

00:27:11.202 –> 00:27:14.742
after just get done talking about being uncomfortable but if you’re looking

00:27:14.742 –> 00:27:16.902
for a place to come and be comfortable being uncomfortable,

00:27:17.722 –> 00:27:19.142
you’re the place for you. Yeah.

00:27:20.822 –> 00:27:28.942
And I, I think that is something that some schools, a lot of schools really struggle with.

00:27:29.622 –> 00:27:32.582
I think that there are a lot of reasons for it.

00:27:33.062 –> 00:27:41.602
I think it’s really unfortunate, but ultimately, so, and it was kind of on our

00:27:41.602 –> 00:27:43.882
list of possible topics.

00:27:45.742 –> 00:27:45.902
But,

00:27:47.132 –> 00:27:51.072
You know, we started, you know, messing with the idea of talking about what’s

00:27:51.072 –> 00:27:52.972
wrong and what’s right with Krav Maga.

00:27:53.352 –> 00:28:00.052
Yeah, yeah. And I spent a lot of time the last few days thinking about this.

00:28:00.172 –> 00:28:06.212
And it’s kind of a cheeky answer, but I definitely, when it comes to Krav Maga,

00:28:06.632 –> 00:28:09.732
I am spiritual, but not religious.

00:28:10.172 –> 00:28:16.752
Yeah. And so what I mean by that is most people, when they hear about,

00:28:16.932 –> 00:28:18.212
when they think about Krav Maga,

00:28:18.612 –> 00:28:25.072
they start thinking about the Israeli military and peace forces and this very

00:28:25.072 –> 00:28:28.132
militarized fighting system.

00:28:29.732 –> 00:28:34.972
I am much more interested in where Krav Maga actually came from,

00:28:35.512 –> 00:28:42.452
which was, you know, Emi and his buddies in the 30s who were, you know,

00:28:42.612 –> 00:28:50.512
boxers and wrestlers defending their neighborhoods from anti-Semitic riots right

00:28:50.512 –> 00:28:52.232
before World War II and the Holocaust.

00:28:53.052 –> 00:28:55.472
That’s where Krav Maga really came from.

00:28:57.612 –> 00:29:01.832
It was about protecting at-risk populations.

00:29:02.672 –> 00:29:06.592
It wasn’t about training police forces. It wasn’t about training the military.

00:29:06.792 –> 00:29:09.772
That came later. That came much later. Yeah, absolutely.

00:29:11.272 –> 00:29:15.152
So I’m very much kind of old school problem of God that way,

00:29:15.352 –> 00:29:21.952
in that I am much more interested in, we got an email.

00:29:22.172 –> 00:29:24.892
It still just breaks my heart every time I have to talk about it.

00:29:25.472 –> 00:29:30.732
We got an email a few weeks ago and I’ll tell the story, not asking for brownie

00:29:30.732 –> 00:29:33.972
points, but just to, just to make a point. Sure. Right.

00:29:35.532 –> 00:29:41.712
And it was a pretty simple email. It said, Oh, trans women welcome at your gym.

00:29:45.452 –> 00:29:49.692
And Shelby and I read it at the same time. Shelby’s the co-owner of rough hands,

00:29:49.792 –> 00:29:56.292
my co-partner, my co-pilot. But we just answered like, hell yes.

00:29:57.332 –> 00:30:02.212
I’m in a train. You’re not even going to be the first trans person at the school. Yeah.

00:30:03.032 –> 00:30:09.812
I come to find out that she sent that letter, that email to a bunch of different schools.

00:30:11.772 –> 00:30:15.932
Most of them came back with no return at all. No response.

00:30:17.092 –> 00:30:21.692
And then other responses came back like, I don’t think it would be a problem.

00:30:22.172 –> 00:30:25.932
And it’s like, what do you mean you don’t think it would be a problem? You own the school.

00:30:26.792 –> 00:30:29.432
You decide whether or not that’s going to be a problem. Yeah.

00:30:30.212 –> 00:30:35.912
You just set the culture. You just set the tone of that, your place. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

00:30:37.725 –> 00:30:45.605
I want, and I think we have done it, but it is imperative as a coach and as

00:30:45.605 –> 00:30:49.785
a school owner that you create an environment that anybody can walk into.

00:30:50.785 –> 00:30:54.905
Otherwise, you’re going to get a bunch of people that you’re not very happy with. Yeah.

00:30:55.765 –> 00:30:58.465
Well, that goes back to the first point. You know, it’s like,

00:30:58.605 –> 00:31:04.365
I think to get people in the door or to even make people feel more comfortable

00:31:04.365 –> 00:31:10.125
about coming and exploring and training in the first place is everyone’s got to be welcome. Correct.

00:31:10.725 –> 00:31:15.645
I mean, if you are selective and who you want to be in your school and who you

00:31:15.645 –> 00:31:21.365
don’t, you’ve already negated them even trying to get there in the first place. Right.

00:31:22.665 –> 00:31:26.645
And, you know, going back to the, you know, kind of staying on the Krav Maga

00:31:26.645 –> 00:31:30.125
track a little bit, because I’ve seen a number of schools that are like this.

00:31:31.445 –> 00:31:34.045
You know, they always talk about Krav Maga’s from everybody.

00:31:34.785 –> 00:31:39.585
But then you get into the school and the stuff that they’re asking you to do

00:31:39.585 –> 00:31:43.105
is nearly impossible unless you’re like a 20 something athlete.

00:31:44.945 –> 00:31:48.785
And I don’t mean like, oh, it’s going to take me a few weeks to get in shape.

00:31:49.485 –> 00:31:52.625
Like, I just can’t do this stuff. Yeah.

00:31:53.465 –> 00:31:57.385
You know, I’ve got people that walk in and they’re north of 300 pounds.

00:31:58.345 –> 00:32:05.605
And it’s like, do they not have the right to learn how to defend themselves? Of course they do.

00:32:06.695 –> 00:32:11.055
So I need to build a pro and not, you know, I’ve got, I’ve had a guy walk in here.

00:32:11.375 –> 00:32:15.535
He was 72 years old and had two replaced hips.

00:32:16.875 –> 00:32:20.955
Does he not have an idea how to defend himself? Of course he does,

00:32:20.955 –> 00:32:25.895
but it’s on me as a coach to create a culture and to create a,

00:32:26.095 –> 00:32:29.935
create a curriculum, curriculum, curriculum, curriculum.

00:32:31.475 –> 00:32:33.655
That, that is accessible to him.

00:32:34.035 –> 00:32:37.955
Right. Like, it’s not going to be, I’m never going to be able to turn that guy

00:32:37.955 –> 00:32:42.035
into Rambo, but do the kids still remember Rambo?

00:32:42.815 –> 00:32:46.595
I don’t know. That’s a good question. Does anyone out there below the age of

00:32:46.595 –> 00:32:48.835
what? 35 know who Rambo is?

00:32:49.255 –> 00:32:55.135
I may have just dated myself a little bit, but you know, everybody,

00:32:55.395 –> 00:33:01.375
and we talk, we say it and we, we pay it lip service, but like everybody has

00:33:01.375 –> 00:33:02.895
the right to defend themselves.

00:33:03.795 –> 00:33:10.235
Cool. Then let’s actually give them the tools and the skills to do that. Let’s set that up. Yeah.

00:33:10.855 –> 00:33:15.715
You know, with that being said, and, you know, we’ve seen pictures of all sorts

00:33:15.715 –> 00:33:18.455
of folks, whether it’s older people,

00:33:18.855 –> 00:33:23.635
folks with disabilities and wheelchairs, you know, we’ve seen all sorts of videos

00:33:23.635 –> 00:33:28.115
and pictures of people taken in martial arts doing those things and them being

00:33:28.115 –> 00:33:30.175
given a chance to, which I think is great.

00:33:30.955 –> 00:33:35.835
Talking about building curriculum and a program, you know, and again,

00:33:35.995 –> 00:33:39.515
this is a bit of a deviation from topic at hand, but.

00:33:40.471 –> 00:33:45.651
How do you go about addressing the mental preparedness and mindset?

00:33:45.651 –> 00:33:51.491
Because I think that is so huge to the whole self-defense party.

00:33:52.351 –> 00:34:02.191
And it’s often overlooked, stuttering today, often overlooked and not addressed a whole lot.

00:34:02.311 –> 00:34:06.671
We talk about going home safe and things like that. But to me,

00:34:07.031 –> 00:34:10.791
you know, like the 72-year-old example you gave, like to me,

00:34:11.111 –> 00:34:19.151
getting him comfortable with the idea of responding in kind and having the mindset

00:34:19.151 –> 00:34:21.531
to do that in the first place.

00:34:21.831 –> 00:34:24.071
Yeah. How does that come into the picture?

00:34:25.531 –> 00:34:27.511
Yeah, that’s a deep rabbit hole.

00:34:30.471 –> 00:34:35.091
I’m full of stuff like that, by the way. Yeah, I don’t think that there’s one

00:34:35.091 –> 00:34:38.351
answer. I’ll kind of address it in a number of different ways.

00:34:39.491 –> 00:34:44.071
And let me first address it by not necessarily debunking,

00:34:44.251 –> 00:34:51.291
but I take issue with one of the kind of key tenets, or I don’t even know that

00:34:51.291 –> 00:34:56.331
it’s actually truly a key tenet, but I think it’s an assumption that people make.

00:34:56.451 –> 00:35:02.851
They hear a thing and they turn it into this, which is sometimes self-defense,

00:35:02.851 –> 00:35:05.571
you hear about flipping the switch, right?

00:35:05.751 –> 00:35:11.411
Flipping the violence switch. yep heard that a few times yeah and and just turning

00:35:11.411 –> 00:35:15.871
in you know you’re just seeing red and just going bananas just going berserk yeah.

00:35:17.444 –> 00:35:26.224
In my experience, that gets people worse off than not necessarily doing nothing,

00:35:26.224 –> 00:35:30.004
but that’s not the right approach.

00:35:30.204 –> 00:35:35.084
And I mean, I think this goes back to what I was saying earlier about learning

00:35:35.084 –> 00:35:39.084
to, I think you need to be very,

00:35:39.404 –> 00:35:47.644
I think you need to have a lot of intent and be capable of great deals of violence. Yeah.

00:35:48.284 –> 00:35:51.264
And when you’re a body and when you commit, commit fully.

00:35:51.904 –> 00:35:58.864
Yeah. No half measures. Yeah. But you have to keep your head on you. Yeah.

00:35:59.424 –> 00:36:03.264
You can’t just see red and, and you’re like, I don’t know what happened after

00:36:03.264 –> 00:36:05.944
that. I just, just went crazy.

00:36:06.864 –> 00:36:10.984
I blacked out. Yeah. I did what? I don’t remember that.

00:36:13.344 –> 00:36:17.204
And actually, I mean, to me, that’s all that’s.

00:36:17.444 –> 00:36:22.164
Also kind of bullshit. I’ve talked to a lot of people over the years that are

00:36:22.164 –> 00:36:24.084
like, I just couldn’t train.

00:36:24.264 –> 00:36:27.684
I just couldn’t do that jiu-jitsu stuff or like Krav Maga stuff.

00:36:27.824 –> 00:36:35.464
Because as soon as I put their arms around my neck, I would just black out and go crazy. Yeah.

00:36:36.944 –> 00:36:42.744
I don’t know. I mean, number one, if that’s true, I think it would behoove you

00:36:42.744 –> 00:36:46.724
to get in here and train that out of yourself. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

00:36:47.844 –> 00:36:53.024
But I also just think that that’s, A, an excuse that people use to not train,

00:36:53.304 –> 00:37:00.064
and B, something that they may have convinced themselves of that they’re like,

00:37:00.184 –> 00:37:01.504
oh, see, I’ll just go crazy.

00:37:01.664 –> 00:37:06.644
I’ll go bananas, and I won’t ever have to worry about being an inviolate encounter

00:37:06.644 –> 00:37:09.104
because I’ll just be crazier than the next guy.

00:37:10.729 –> 00:37:15.789
So I don’t, when I talk, when I talk to people about kind of getting in the

00:37:15.789 –> 00:37:21.709
mindset, I, it’s really more about getting in the body set.

00:37:23.129 –> 00:37:26.769
It’s about what I want to have happen.

00:37:27.069 –> 00:37:32.249
And I never want it to happen. But if it does happen, when someone gets in a

00:37:32.249 –> 00:37:35.309
violent encounter, here’s the truth.

00:37:35.569 –> 00:37:40.469
Your brain is going to panic, right? You’re going to be scared.

00:37:40.729 –> 00:37:43.529
You’re gonna shit yourself like it’s

00:37:43.529 –> 00:37:48.169
gonna be you’re gonna have an adrenaline dump and it’s gonna be terrible right

00:37:48.169 –> 00:37:53.309
those are facts unless you just unless this is like your three thousand violent

00:37:53.309 –> 00:38:01.389
encounter yeah it is that it those are that is but when i what i am hoping will happen,

00:38:02.009 –> 00:38:05.989
with your training is that even though your brain is having a little bit of

00:38:05.989 –> 00:38:10.629
a freak out that your body will be like, oh, I’ve been here before.

00:38:11.649 –> 00:38:16.289
And you’ll have one less thing to worry about. Say, oh, I’m in a lot of danger.

00:38:16.589 –> 00:38:20.109
It’s, you know, whatever the new variables are. It’s the new variables that

00:38:20.109 –> 00:38:21.209
are going to scare you, right?

00:38:21.889 –> 00:38:25.009
I’m out in a parking lot now. I’m not in the confines of my,

00:38:25.149 –> 00:38:29.409
you know, the comfy mats at school. And it’s the new variables that freak you out.

00:38:29.509 –> 00:38:35.549
But hopefully we’ve exposed you enough to a lot of the base variables that you

00:38:35.549 –> 00:38:39.869
can still kind of navigate your way through the interaction. Yeah.

00:38:40.709 –> 00:38:44.729
Does that make sense? Yep. Okay. Totally.

00:38:45.769 –> 00:38:53.569
And then there are other pieces that I just, I try to, I tell people to be a

00:38:53.569 –> 00:38:58.369
successful martial artist, to be a successful coach,

00:38:58.969 –> 00:39:03.329
you have to be a student of finance. You have to understand it.

00:39:04.409 –> 00:39:08.369
You have to watch it. And in some ways you have to simulate it,

00:39:08.449 –> 00:39:11.989
even if it’s on the mats, like you have to understand it.

00:39:12.529 –> 00:39:18.749
And so, you know, we talk, you hear me talk a lot about things like how durable

00:39:18.749 –> 00:39:22.549
human beings actually are in violent encounters.

00:39:23.309 –> 00:39:27.269
You know, things get broken and torn and ripped off.

00:39:27.449 –> 00:39:31.949
And, you know, our bodies can take a tremendous amount of punishment.

00:39:31.949 –> 00:39:35.549
A lot more abuse than joe schmo realizes or

00:39:35.549 –> 00:39:38.549
thinks about yeah for sure and still continue to fight

00:39:38.549 –> 00:39:41.389
still fight yeah and so this is

00:39:41.389 –> 00:39:44.369
one of the things this is one of my big bones that i

00:39:44.369 –> 00:39:48.869
have to pick with krav maga in particular the team of the safe defense community

00:39:48.869 –> 00:39:56.509
in general is you know anytime i hear oh all i need to do is x y and z and i’ll

00:39:56.509 –> 00:40:02.149
be fine yeah oh yeah i’ll just gouge them in the eyes.

00:40:02.329 –> 00:40:05.229
I’ll just bite them. I’ll just kick them in the nuts.

00:40:05.449 –> 00:40:09.749
You know, whatever it is, whatever you think your go-to thing is that’s going

00:40:09.749 –> 00:40:10.749
to solve all your problems.

00:40:11.089 –> 00:40:12.989
I’ll just pull my gun out and shoot them.

00:40:13.749 –> 00:40:19.029
It’s nonsense. And if you really believe that, you’re putting yourself in danger.

00:40:20.229 –> 00:40:25.429
And it’s also why we talk about turning off the computer so much, right?

00:40:25.609 –> 00:40:28.809
Because ultimately, that’s the quickest way out of a violent interaction

00:40:28.809 –> 00:40:31.469
is shut the computer off in the head of

00:40:31.469 –> 00:40:35.109
the person that’s trying to do damage to you yeah you know

00:40:35.109 –> 00:40:39.169
there’s some martial arts that are like talking about limb destruction all this

00:40:39.169 –> 00:40:44.869
other stuff and man if you don’t turn the computer off you have a problem yeah

00:40:44.869 –> 00:40:50.569
it’s all about the cns that central nervous system right yeah if you don’t just

00:40:50.569 –> 00:40:54.349
absolutely take away their entire ability to do violence,

00:40:55.229 –> 00:40:57.149
you’ve got a problem on your hands.

00:40:58.756 –> 00:41:03.336
So talking and really helping people understand those kinds of things.

00:41:04.236 –> 00:41:08.956
And, you know, when I talk about knife defense, gun defense,

00:41:09.676 –> 00:41:15.896
virtually anything, because you always have the guy that is in class and I’m

00:41:15.896 –> 00:41:18.156
showing this position and we’re working and it’s like, well,

00:41:18.216 –> 00:41:20.236
what if the guy punches you in the face from here?

00:41:20.756 –> 00:41:24.996
Right. How many times have you heard somebody say that? What if they do X, Y and Z?

00:41:25.816 –> 00:41:31.676
Expect them to do X, Y and Z. You’re going to get hit. They’re going to be fighting back.

00:41:32.236 –> 00:41:38.536
It doesn’t change your job. You may get cut. You may get stabbed. You may get shot.

00:41:38.956 –> 00:41:42.056
It does not change your job. Your

00:41:42.056 –> 00:41:47.756
job does not change until you are either completely incapacitated or dead.

00:41:48.436 –> 00:41:53.636
Yes, you’ll be hurt. Yes, there’s somebody trying to hit you.

00:41:54.036 –> 00:41:57.436
All of those things are true, but your job doesn’t change.

00:41:57.756 –> 00:42:02.136
Unless you’re really good or really lucky or avoided the situation entirely

00:42:02.136 –> 00:42:07.016
to begin with, you’re probably going to get jacked up somehow. Of course. Yeah.

00:42:08.016 –> 00:42:12.396
And for no other reason than you’re late to the party. Right. Right.

00:42:12.836 –> 00:42:16.536
Right. Because the guy in front of you knew you were in a fight before you did.

00:42:17.913 –> 00:42:22.493
Cause he hits first. Well, you know, whatever, whatever the interaction is.

00:42:23.213 –> 00:42:27.173
So yeah, you’re probably going to take a lick. So assuming you’re still awake

00:42:27.173 –> 00:42:30.253
at the end of that, it’s time to get to work. Yeah.

00:42:31.133 –> 00:42:34.673
So that’s, those are the things, those are the types of things that I really

00:42:34.673 –> 00:42:36.353
try to instill in the people here.

00:42:36.753 –> 00:42:39.533
It’s not so much like, I just need you to go banana.

00:42:40.053 –> 00:42:41.913
Right. Just flip that switch.

00:42:42.673 –> 00:42:46.013
It’s not a switch. It’s about training your

00:42:46.013 –> 00:42:48.753
body and then making sure that the expert expectations in the

00:42:48.753 –> 00:42:51.853
mind are properly set yeah yeah what’s

00:42:51.853 –> 00:42:54.833
the what’s the saying you don’t rise to the

00:42:54.833 –> 00:42:57.753
level of your training you rise to your

00:42:57.753 –> 00:43:01.013
level of proficiency basically like if

00:43:01.013 –> 00:43:07.993
that right a fraction of it in actuality yeah correct yeah no matter how perfect

00:43:07.993 –> 00:43:12.873
you are in training you got the best techniques you pass your level test with

00:43:12.873 –> 00:43:18.273
flying colors better than anyone else in techniques When the shit hits the fan on the streets,

00:43:18.273 –> 00:43:22.773
it doesn’t really work that way. So you can expect to be hurt.

00:43:23.013 –> 00:43:27.793
You can expect for all your technique perfectness to go out the window.

00:43:28.993 –> 00:43:36.473
Which is, since I’m just having bones to pick, that’s one of the big reasons.

00:43:36.473 –> 00:43:43.453
I posted something in our private Facebook group last night of this very cool-looking

00:43:43.453 –> 00:43:46.873
piece of choreography that some other self-defense school did.

00:43:47.353 –> 00:43:52.753
And, you know, this multiple elbow strike and taking the back and pushing them

00:43:52.753 –> 00:43:55.093
up against the wall and doing this, that, and the other thing.

00:43:56.273 –> 00:44:00.873
I don’t run a dance school, right? If you want to go learn choreography,

00:44:01.473 –> 00:44:03.573
the ballet school is down the street.

00:44:04.553 –> 00:44:11.653
Right. Spending a bunch of time learning complex combinations of movements to

00:44:11.653 –> 00:44:16.073
achieve self-defense is a fallacy. Yeah.

00:44:17.353 –> 00:44:22.633
Anything plus two or three kind of moves in a combination, you can expect that

00:44:22.633 –> 00:44:25.973
to never, ever happen to you. Yeah. Never.

00:44:27.233 –> 00:44:31.853
There’s just too many other variables, right? Yeah. And, you know,

00:44:31.973 –> 00:44:36.173
this is another one where I’ll go, well, but, you know, I think of the,

00:44:36.173 –> 00:44:39.393
the Chinese Kung Fu masters, right.

00:44:39.673 –> 00:44:47.233
And Kung Fu or variations thereof, I would say it’s fairly effective, but to your point,

00:44:47.413 –> 00:44:51.693
it is full in, in a lot of cases of a lot of different movements,

00:44:51.693 –> 00:44:56.873
a lot of different procedures to a given technique and under stress.

00:44:56.873 –> 00:44:58.933
Are you really going to be able to do that stuff now?

00:45:00.053 –> 00:45:01.413
Those that practice it and have

00:45:01.413 –> 00:45:05.593
been practicing it since the age of three and now are Kung Fu masters.

00:45:06.013 –> 00:45:09.073
Okay, great. No one’s going to touch you and get away with it more than likely.

00:45:09.413 –> 00:45:15.293
Maybe, but maybe you’re working on, I, you might be able to convince me of that

00:45:15.293 –> 00:45:17.873
in the dojo on the math, right?

00:45:17.993 –> 00:45:21.573
With, but you’re making a lot of assumptions.

00:45:21.893 –> 00:45:28.053
Yeah. On the street where things are working, doing that when you’ve been surprised

00:45:28.053 –> 00:45:29.373
in the parking lot. Yeah.

00:45:30.053 –> 00:45:33.313
And you’re, I’m going to be proven right every single time. Yeah.

00:45:33.733 –> 00:45:36.833
Well, the point I was going to make, the difference is, is that here,

00:45:36.993 –> 00:45:40.833
at least in this, I would say most folks stateside by comparison,

00:45:40.833 –> 00:45:43.393
probably are not disciplined enough

00:45:43.393 –> 00:45:47.713
or have the time enough to put in that degree and level of training.

00:45:47.713 –> 00:45:52.553
So when it comes to teaching and learning effective self-defense for our needs,

00:45:52.793 –> 00:45:58.413
you got to have more simple movements based on natural reactions or whatever

00:45:58.413 –> 00:46:01.933
else you want to say about it. Yeah.

00:46:03.433 –> 00:46:10.513
I try to be so data-driven in my teaching,

00:46:10.513 –> 00:46:16.253
and a lot of times there’s not enough data for me to make good decisions,

00:46:16.253 –> 00:46:19.013
but I just have to keep studying and do the best I can.

00:46:19.013 –> 00:46:24.433
But ultimately, I have people on average maybe two or three times a week,

00:46:24.453 –> 00:46:27.673
right, for an hour, an hour at a time.

00:46:28.093 –> 00:46:35.073
Yeah. It would be an absolute disservice to spend that hour,

00:46:35.393 –> 00:46:40.153
those hours, doing something they’ll never see in the world.

00:46:40.553 –> 00:46:45.353
Or they’d never be able to do in a real-world situation. Or that they’d never

00:46:45.353 –> 00:46:46.613
be able to really do. Yeah.

00:46:46.933 –> 00:46:53.813
It looks good. It’s cool. sells seminars it sells seminars yeah buddy yeah.

00:46:55.354 –> 00:46:59.714
And I even take this down to the issue of handedness.

00:47:00.714 –> 00:47:06.234
And what I mean by that is, unless I’ve had somebody that’s at it a really long

00:47:06.234 –> 00:47:11.234
time, I make everybody do their knife attacks, their gun attacks.

00:47:11.734 –> 00:47:13.414
I make everybody get right-handed.

00:47:14.714 –> 00:47:21.854
And there’s a very simple reason why. 90% of the population is right-handed.

00:47:21.854 –> 00:47:24.954
Yeah i have never seen any

00:47:24.954 –> 00:47:28.094
data that indicates to me that left-handed

00:47:28.094 –> 00:47:32.114
people commit more crime than right-handed people that’s some

00:47:32.114 –> 00:47:35.234
of that abstract research yeah if anybody

00:47:35.234 –> 00:47:37.954
listening has that data please send it

00:47:37.954 –> 00:47:41.234
to me yeah i want to see it play the play

00:47:41.234 –> 00:47:44.134
the odds play the population yeah but if i only

00:47:44.134 –> 00:47:46.934
have you a couple hours a week am i

00:47:46.934 –> 00:47:50.594
going to spend time training the 90 percent solution or

00:47:50.594 –> 00:47:53.274
the 10 percent solution yeah it’s a

00:47:53.274 –> 00:47:56.014
no-brainer yeah well you know

00:47:56.014 –> 00:47:59.394
who also says that jimmo yeah of

00:47:59.394 –> 00:48:06.694
course yeah of course yeah yeah they’re terribly original ideas right yeah no

00:48:06.694 –> 00:48:13.694
but they’re true yeah i mean my all my shtick came somewhere and i’m i’m proud

00:48:13.694 –> 00:48:18.514
to say that he’s definitely one of my big influence and and oddly enough He hates,

00:48:18.774 –> 00:48:22.634
he actually loathes self-defense and Kravnick.

00:48:23.134 –> 00:48:27.274
Yeah. Yeah. The irony. Yeah. Yeah.

00:48:28.034 –> 00:48:36.814
Yeah. I think part of the duty of teaching self-defense is to talk about and

00:48:36.814 –> 00:48:38.834
teach the realities of self-defense.

00:48:38.974 –> 00:48:42.194
I know it sounds really simple, but I think you probably know where I’m going

00:48:42.194 –> 00:48:43.294
at with that, right? Yeah.

00:48:43.414 –> 00:48:48.054
Yeah. Because I think the schools get caught up in the techniques and the procedures

00:48:48.054 –> 00:48:53.454
and the history of the art and the sales pitch, even after you’re on board.

00:48:54.174 –> 00:48:59.854
Yeah. But I think the disservice comes in where they don’t talk about the stuff

00:48:59.854 –> 00:49:01.654
as much as they’re training the techniques.

00:49:01.654 –> 00:49:05.654
Because I’ve said it for a number of years now. I think there’s as much or more

00:49:05.654 –> 00:49:11.854
value in the information you can distill to your students as there is the techniques

00:49:11.854 –> 00:49:13.394
and the physicalities of it.

00:49:13.554 –> 00:49:21.234
Oh without a doubt yeah without a doubt yeah and and i get people give me a hard time about it,

00:49:21.734 –> 00:49:27.974
but i pontificate a lot while i’m teaching i mean there’s a joke about it at

00:49:27.974 –> 00:49:32.314
the school like if i start talking too long yeah people will actually just start doing squats.

00:49:35.414 –> 00:49:39.414
Start doing squats so that they can stay warm i’m like okay i need to shut them

00:49:39.414 –> 00:49:44.794
out right let’s get to work but i think that’s absolutely right and i also think

00:49:44.794 –> 00:49:46.774
it’s important two things,

00:49:47.674 –> 00:49:51.274
let them ask questions yeah.

00:49:52.960 –> 00:49:59.240
And it is perfectly okay for, hey, you know what? I don’t know the answer to

00:49:59.240 –> 00:50:00.600
that, but let’s find out.

00:50:00.740 –> 00:50:03.200
That is a perfectly acceptable answer. Yep.

00:50:03.940 –> 00:50:09.140
And a lot of people have a hard time doing that. Yeah, they want quick answers to everything.

00:50:09.520 –> 00:50:13.540
Well, and the coaches themselves, the school writers, feel like they need to

00:50:13.540 –> 00:50:16.040
know everything. Yeah, I don’t know everything. Yeah.

00:50:16.700 –> 00:50:20.700
I don’t know the answer to that. I’ll let me see if I can find out.

00:50:21.420 –> 00:50:25.180
Or let’s work through it and see what might or hey

00:50:25.180 –> 00:50:27.920
come here tell me what you mean let’s see if you can hear through it

00:50:27.920 –> 00:50:31.420
because that’s the other thing you’ll find out about about me

00:50:31.420 –> 00:50:34.480
is i’m much more principle based than i am technique based

00:50:34.480 –> 00:50:37.380
so yeah you touch on a good point it’s almost like

00:50:37.380 –> 00:50:41.840
my five dollars i gave you is well spent because the very next thing that that’s

00:50:41.840 –> 00:50:45.400
a perfect segue to a topic that i wanted to talk to you about is principles

00:50:45.400 –> 00:50:50.300
versus techniques and again you know you dropped a lot of this on me when I

00:50:50.300 –> 00:50:54.960
was up there back in June and it just all resonated with me.

00:50:55.080 –> 00:50:58.920
And I think another person that talks about principles versus getting so caught

00:50:58.920 –> 00:51:02.400
up in the techniques is Rory Miller as well. Are you familiar with him?

00:51:02.660 –> 00:51:08.620
Yeah. Yeah. He’s big on, if you understand the principles of what needs, it needs to be done.

00:51:08.760 –> 00:51:12.600
And I was watching something with him and his joint locks, cause he’s big on

00:51:12.600 –> 00:51:16.260
joint locks and that’s one of his favorite things. But he was talking about,

00:51:16.420 –> 00:51:19.420
if you know the principles, then the techniques really don’t matter because

00:51:19.420 –> 00:51:22.180
you’re just going to be able to roll with the punches, so to speak.

00:51:22.880 –> 00:51:24.420
Correct. Yeah. Yeah.

00:51:25.820 –> 00:51:31.280
I, I started introducing those principles and, you know, I don’t even necessarily

00:51:31.280 –> 00:51:36.480
have a written down list, but it’s more of instilling an understanding.

00:51:37.340 –> 00:51:42.220
I don’t want people to just learn a huge collection of techniques.

00:51:42.240 –> 00:51:44.340
That’s not important. Yeah.

00:51:45.140 –> 00:51:52.140
I am much more interested in them being able to solve, do problem solving in

00:51:52.140 –> 00:51:55.480
novel situations based on what they’ve been taught.

00:51:56.280 –> 00:52:01.560
So, and that goes down to the absolute kind of one of the first things you’ll

00:52:01.560 –> 00:52:03.220
learn, right? We start working on punches.

00:52:04.040 –> 00:52:10.240
I spend a lot less time talking about all the intricacies of a straight punch. Yeah.

00:52:10.980 –> 00:52:14.220
And I start hammering into them the principles of the punch.

00:52:14.220 –> 00:52:17.040
I always i want to strike my target with

00:52:17.040 –> 00:52:19.740
the top two knuckles i want to always try to

00:52:19.740 –> 00:52:23.100
keep my elbow behind my fist like a fist i

00:52:23.100 –> 00:52:26.760
always want to move my hips and shoulders in the direction that i need power

00:52:26.760 –> 00:52:33.560
yeah just those three things yep pretty soon if they really understand those

00:52:33.560 –> 00:52:39.100
three things they can start sending any punch from any direction they’ll understand

00:52:39.100 –> 00:52:42.620
how to do hooks and uppercuts and several hooks and overhands,

00:52:43.500 –> 00:52:46.000
just because they understand the principles of punch.

00:52:47.351 –> 00:52:50.111
Don’t need to learn all of those punches individually now we

00:52:50.111 –> 00:52:54.771
can go visit them and clean them up but i

00:52:54.771 –> 00:52:57.951
am much more interested in helping people find

00:52:57.951 –> 00:53:02.011
one principle that can apply to 20 situations

00:53:02.011 –> 00:53:10.971
multiple yeah than you know 20 different techniques that’s and again it goes

00:53:10.971 –> 00:53:16.251
back to i have very little time with these people so if i can start really instilling

00:53:16.251 –> 00:53:21.031
in them okay anytime I’m in a violent encounter I need to be working on,

00:53:21.631 –> 00:53:25.231
getting outside the elbows right the

00:53:25.231 –> 00:53:28.491
most the most dangerous place I can be in

00:53:28.491 –> 00:53:34.851
a fight is standing inside those body inside those elbows so come hell or high

00:53:34.851 –> 00:53:40.851
water I don’t care how you do it it could be with your foot work it could be

00:53:40.851 –> 00:53:46.471
with an arm drag it could be with anything get outside of those elbows yeah.

00:53:47.151 –> 00:53:52.431
Then i’ve done my job right mission accomplished they don’t need to know every

00:53:52.431 –> 00:53:57.151
single possible permutation of getting outside the elbow or at least they don’t

00:53:57.151 –> 00:54:01.231
need me to teach it to them they’ll start to figure it out organically because

00:54:01.231 –> 00:54:02.471
they understand the principle,

00:54:03.131 –> 00:54:07.631
and that goes joint lock as you were saying right yeah i am much more interested

00:54:07.631 –> 00:54:13.991
in people understanding the mechanics of an arm bar yeah then understanding

00:54:13.991 –> 00:54:17.371
how to do an arm bar from mount How to do an armbar from guard, how to do, you know.

00:54:18.071 –> 00:54:22.211
What you understand, you can do it from anywhere that matter.

00:54:22.891 –> 00:54:31.791
And I think that is critically important to teaching people with such a limited amount of time. Yeah.

00:54:32.631 –> 00:54:39.011
So, you know, to be proficient, because it’s one thing on the mat in the school. Yeah.

00:54:39.907 –> 00:54:47.507
When in a violent encounter, do you think it takes less training for them to

00:54:47.507 –> 00:54:51.267
employ principles, having to think under stress,

00:54:51.607 –> 00:54:56.847
more so or less so than it takes to think through, oh, what was that technique

00:54:56.847 –> 00:54:58.707
for this thing that’s happening to me?

00:54:59.467 –> 00:55:03.207
Yeah. Well, I mean, without a doubt, it’s principles. You know, we deal with this.

00:55:04.687 –> 00:55:07.667
We deal with this a lot. i think

00:55:07.667 –> 00:55:11.087
i it takes me back to when we start playing with playing

00:55:11.087 –> 00:55:14.167
with knives yeah my least favorite thing

00:55:14.167 –> 00:55:17.407
yeah everybody’s least favorite thing right it’s it’s

00:55:17.407 –> 00:55:23.427
it’s as scary as it gets yeah but you know one of the big key principles of

00:55:23.427 –> 00:55:28.307
dealing with and defending against the knife is having a two-on-one having two

00:55:28.307 –> 00:55:34.167
of your limbs trying to control either their limb their hand to the weapon, right?

00:55:36.207 –> 00:55:40.067
And we can start playing with it on the ground, standing, you know,

00:55:40.227 –> 00:55:41.867
whatever the situation is.

00:55:42.567 –> 00:55:46.067
And it doesn’t really happen that much, but, you know, someone could look back

00:55:46.067 –> 00:55:47.667
at me and I’d be like, is this right?

00:55:48.347 –> 00:55:51.147
And I’ll be like, I don’t know. Come here, let’s take a look at it.

00:55:51.227 –> 00:55:53.907
And I’ll walk up and I’ll be like, well, are you on the principles?

00:55:54.487 –> 00:55:56.227
Have you got a two on one? Yeah.

00:55:56.907 –> 00:56:01.427
Are you in a position where you can smash their head in and turn the computer off? Yeah. Yeah.

00:56:02.080 –> 00:56:05.500
I’ve you’re not going to find that particular position in any textbook.

00:56:08.420 –> 00:56:12.820
That’s yeah. That looks, I mean, I don’t have any way I can approve it at this

00:56:12.820 –> 00:56:16.280
point. I don’t have a photograph of how that’s supposed to work, but.

00:56:16.540 –> 00:56:19.560
Oh, and there is no, you won’t find a photograph because there are an infinite

00:56:19.560 –> 00:56:21.580
number of possibilities. Infinite number.

00:56:22.020 –> 00:56:26.400
There’s just two ways things can go to think that you’re going to be able to

00:56:26.400 –> 00:56:27.660
cover it all with technique.

00:56:27.660 –> 00:56:31.920
Well, you know, I think someone we both know has an infamous saying now,

00:56:32.060 –> 00:56:35.300
or at least it’s become infamous, and I have to completely agree,

00:56:35.500 –> 00:56:38.780
as simple as it is, is someone we know says, it depends.

00:56:38.780 –> 00:56:41.680
You can’t possibly have all the answers

00:56:41.680 –> 00:56:44.580
to every possible scenario there could ever

00:56:44.580 –> 00:56:47.940
be but to your point and an argument for understanding

00:56:47.940 –> 00:56:51.120
at least foundationally those principles you can

00:56:51.120 –> 00:56:54.140
at least think through how something might go

00:56:54.140 –> 00:56:56.940
when one little thing changes the

00:56:56.940 –> 00:56:59.760
entire scenario right because you don’t know there’s no way to

00:56:59.760 –> 00:57:03.460
know it’s infinite number of possibilities and

00:57:03.460 –> 00:57:06.620
outcomes for that matter that’s exactly right and

00:57:06.620 –> 00:57:09.380
you know to throw this out there and we’ve said it just in fighting in

00:57:09.380 –> 00:57:12.260
general self-defense or otherwise you’re going

00:57:12.260 –> 00:57:15.020
to get jacked up and with a knife you just might

00:57:15.020 –> 00:57:17.960
as well just plan on getting cut yeah i’m

00:57:17.960 –> 00:57:22.240
always really careful about how i talk about that yeah just

00:57:22.240 –> 00:57:25.640
because i don’t want it i i’m

00:57:25.640 –> 00:57:31.060
i’m always concerned that it will end up being a self-fulfilling prophecy and

00:57:31.060 –> 00:57:35.200
that it will cause people to be less careful yeah so one of the things that

00:57:35.200 –> 00:57:42.380
i say is be prepared to get cut yeah not you are going to get cut yeah.

00:57:43.508 –> 00:57:49.208
Because weird shit happens, right? You may get through it and not get cut. Yeah. But be prepared.

00:57:49.468 –> 00:57:53.728
Be prepared. And then I also tell them, the punchline is, you probably won’t

00:57:53.728 –> 00:57:57.668
even know that you got cut until after the interaction’s over.

00:57:58.248 –> 00:58:01.448
Well, you know, there’s a saying in that community, I think,

00:58:01.588 –> 00:58:05.368
that something like, knives aren’t meant to be seen, they’re meant to be felt.

00:58:05.528 –> 00:58:10.888
Well, I always kind of balk at that because I get what they’re getting at,

00:58:10.928 –> 00:58:13.188
but the reality of it is you’re not going to fill it either.

00:58:13.508 –> 00:58:16.928
No, a lot of times you don’t feel it. I mean, I can’t tell you how many times

00:58:16.928 –> 00:58:21.468
I’ve read reports and people are like, man, I felt like I was just being punched.

00:58:21.668 –> 00:58:25.728
And it was, you know, just kind of like a stinging punch or a lot of times people

00:58:25.728 –> 00:58:29.988
just don’t realize that it’s happening, especially because they don’t bleed

00:58:29.988 –> 00:58:33.568
very much in the moment because of the adrenaline dump.

00:58:33.828 –> 00:58:36.428
Well, that’s what I was going to say, too. That adrenaline is probably keeping

00:58:36.428 –> 00:58:37.988
you from feeling anything anyway.

00:58:38.428 –> 00:58:40.408
Correct. It serves its purpose.

00:58:41.388 –> 00:58:44.388
Yeah. Yeah. the reason we’re so durable

00:58:44.388 –> 00:58:47.528
yeah yeah that’s why people keep fighting after horrible

00:58:47.528 –> 00:58:50.808
things have happened to their bodies horrible things like

00:58:50.808 –> 00:58:54.968
being shot 14 times yeah people always

00:58:54.968 –> 00:58:57.828
especially the firearms people get so mad

00:58:57.828 –> 00:59:00.648
at me when you know i study i’m like guys you

00:59:00.648 –> 00:59:04.348
know the nine out of ten people survive gunshot wounds everybody’s

00:59:04.348 –> 00:59:07.008
like what no it doesn’t happen like it does in the

00:59:07.008 –> 00:59:10.468
movies no i know and i’m like guns are

00:59:10.468 –> 00:59:14.008
actually really terrible at killing right right i’m

00:59:14.008 –> 00:59:17.148
gonna date myself so you know you remember all those episodes

00:59:17.148 –> 00:59:21.808
of a team how many people died by gun shots right yeah

00:59:21.808 –> 00:59:24.848
a lot of bullets flying not a

00:59:24.848 –> 00:59:27.848
lot at that point but i usually say that stuff

00:59:27.848 –> 00:59:31.548
when i’m talking about durability and and on

00:59:31.548 –> 00:59:34.948
both sides of the equation right i’m i’m first debunking

00:59:34.948 –> 00:59:37.688
the guy that’s like well i’ve got my glock i’m just going to shoot him.

00:59:37.688 –> 00:59:41.248
And it’s like that doesn’t that

00:59:41.248 –> 00:59:44.568
likely to get that solved in your problem it’s low

00:59:44.568 –> 00:59:47.748
yeah it’s possible but

00:59:47.748 –> 00:59:50.728
not a not a guarantee and i say it’s just

00:59:50.728 –> 00:59:53.728
it’s equally as unlikely it’s me just punching them

00:59:53.728 –> 00:59:57.828
in the face once and it being a done deal like right yeah

00:59:57.828 –> 01:00:01.088
usually you know you have to you have

01:00:01.088 –> 01:00:05.088
to kind to dig in a little bit and get some work done yeah but then i also said

01:00:05.088 –> 01:00:09.068
on the other side i’m like you know people be working gun defense stuff and

01:00:09.068 –> 01:00:13.368
they’re like oh i stepped in the line of fire i’m dead i gotta start over and

01:00:13.368 –> 01:00:18.228
i’m like bullshit keep going keep going figure it out yeah.

01:00:19.400 –> 01:00:23.080
That you got shot doesn’t mean you’re dead and it doesn’t mean your job changed.

01:00:23.860 –> 01:00:27.740
Right. And, you know, that’s, and that’s something that they teach in that arena

01:00:27.740 –> 01:00:30.080
too. And I’ve done quite a bit of that.

01:00:30.280 –> 01:00:34.980
And that is just because you’ve been shot doesn’t mean you’re out of the fight.

01:00:34.980 –> 01:00:39.980
You keep going unless you’re drained out and, you know, you’ve bled out or your,

01:00:40.040 –> 01:00:41.960
your, you know, your brain shut off.

01:00:42.140 –> 01:00:48.240
You have every opportunity and capability of continuing. So,

01:00:48.280 –> 01:00:53.380
you know, that was the thing that we saw repetitively in Krav classes as students

01:00:53.380 –> 01:00:55.480
would, and I’m guilty of it myself too.

01:00:55.720 –> 01:00:57.960
I didn’t do that the way I wanted to. Let me start over.

01:00:58.400 –> 01:01:04.540
Reality is there’s not going to be anything perfect technique or scenario wise

01:01:04.540 –> 01:01:07.680
if things happen in real life, right?

01:01:07.860 –> 01:01:12.040
Out on the street. Which takes me back again to why principles are so important.

01:01:12.200 –> 01:01:14.440
Yeah. Because techniques fail. Yeah.

01:01:15.040 –> 01:01:18.560
And they go out the window anyway. Even if you know your techniques perfectly

01:01:18.560 –> 01:01:25.880
and you execute them 100% on the street, you’re not doing that choke defense just perfect.

01:01:26.580 –> 01:01:29.640
No. Not going to happen. No, of course not.

01:01:29.980 –> 01:01:34.800
So we’ve kind of slanted this thing, it seems like, towards students.

01:01:34.800 –> 01:01:37.980
Students coming in students starting out what to expect that

01:01:37.980 –> 01:01:40.780
kind of thing so in that vein

01:01:40.780 –> 01:01:43.900
unless you want to go a different direction i think my next question

01:01:43.900 –> 01:01:47.020
would be at this point what should someone’s goals

01:01:47.020 –> 01:01:49.880
be for training i know that’s kind of open-ended but that

01:01:49.880 –> 01:01:52.600
that’s the intent yeah you know there’s going

01:01:52.600 –> 01:01:56.140
to be a portion of that that’s really personal and

01:01:56.140 –> 01:01:59.460
personalized yeah that’s a good point but but ultimately

01:01:59.460 –> 01:02:02.300
i think and it’s

01:02:02.300 –> 01:02:05.940
actually going to start reaching outside the bounds of just self-defense but

01:02:05.940 –> 01:02:08.980
i think there are a few things that are that should be a goal

01:02:08.980 –> 01:02:12.740
number one come in

01:02:12.740 –> 01:02:15.640
here and start figuring out how to be comfortable with being

01:02:15.640 –> 01:02:25.440
uncomfortable yeah right yeah that if nothing else yeah that because that is

01:02:25.440 –> 01:02:31.900
going to start having impacts in the rest of your life oh absolutely yeah that’s

01:02:31.900 –> 01:02:35.140
a principle that you You can carry outside the training school, right?

01:02:35.380 –> 01:02:40.240
The next one, you know, and it’s the obvious one, and I’m just going to leave

01:02:40.240 –> 01:02:41.560
it at that. Learn how to fight.

01:02:42.653 –> 01:02:45.533
Learn how to fight that’s a deep rabbit hole the fun part

01:02:45.533 –> 01:02:48.173
of learning how to fight is you never have to

01:02:48.173 –> 01:02:52.913
be finished with it that drives some people crazy i

01:02:52.913 –> 01:02:56.413
can’t tell you i can’t tell you how many emails we get you

01:02:56.413 –> 01:02:59.233
know every once in a while we’ll run like a six week special for however

01:02:59.233 –> 01:03:02.173
much money and yeah we’ll get a we’ll get an email like

01:03:02.173 –> 01:03:04.813
well how how good am i going to be at the

01:03:04.813 –> 01:03:08.113
end of this six weeks depends on

01:03:08.113 –> 01:03:10.933
how many i don’t know depends on how many pills you’ve taken

01:03:10.933 –> 01:03:13.653
in that time i don’t even

01:03:13.653 –> 01:03:18.913
know how to begin to answer that question yeah a lot of people aren’t very good

01:03:18.913 –> 01:03:26.633
with something that they’re doing not having an end point yeah yeah i but i

01:03:26.633 –> 01:03:29.973
think it is exquisitely healthy for

01:03:29.973 –> 01:03:33.633
human beings to do things that don’t necessarily have a fixed end point.

01:03:34.393 –> 01:03:40.253
Well, you know, I’m guilty of it myself. It’s so oftentimes we’re more concerned

01:03:40.253 –> 01:03:43.573
with and interested in the destination than the journey.

01:03:43.953 –> 01:03:47.293
And in fighting and self-defense, it’s the journey. We’re really,

01:03:47.693 –> 01:03:50.893
isn’t necessarily a destination.

01:03:51.333 –> 01:03:56.333
And certainly that shouldn’t be your mentality towards it either way.

01:03:56.453 –> 01:04:00.473
It’s like the guy that says, you know, how good am I going to be or how proficient

01:04:00.473 –> 01:04:04.453
am I going to be at the end of that six week course that I’m paying a discounted

01:04:04.453 –> 01:04:09.613
rate for you’ll be, you know, based on X amount of participation,

01:04:09.873 –> 01:04:14.193
you’re you’ll be as good as you would be at the end of that six week period. Right.

01:04:15.313 –> 01:04:16.373
Yeah. Right.

01:04:17.553 –> 01:04:23.173
And again, I understand. I get the question. Yeah, I get it.

01:04:23.533 –> 01:04:29.693
But in the context, it makes absolutely zero sense. Right. So learn how to fight.

01:04:30.793 –> 01:04:35.273
The next thing i would say is use

01:04:35.273 –> 01:04:39.433
use this training to

01:04:39.433 –> 01:04:46.913
make yourself a better you make yourself healthier however you want to frame

01:04:46.913 –> 01:04:53.793
this you are far more likely to die of heart disease or type 2 diabetes than

01:04:53.793 –> 01:04:58.733
you are of an active shooter event sure or a knife attack Yeah.

01:04:59.553 –> 01:05:03.233
Right. So come in here and bust your ass. Right.

01:05:04.173 –> 01:05:07.333
Come in here and lose that 20 pounds you’ve been wanting to,

01:05:07.433 –> 01:05:10.013
you know, whatever it is, come in here and work.

01:05:11.281 –> 01:05:16.221
The cool thing about this is you can get the same results that,

01:05:16.241 –> 01:05:19.401
you know, you, you’re having in your crossfit class or, you know,

01:05:19.521 –> 01:05:22.501
whatever else you’re doing, you jazzercise. Is jazzercise still around?

01:05:22.901 –> 01:05:26.161
Now you’re really dating yourself. Cause I was going to bust out some Richard

01:05:26.161 –> 01:05:30.501
Simmons on you, but I don’t think anybody knows who that cat is anymore. Right.

01:05:30.821 –> 01:05:35.941
Put your leg warmers on and come in here and train. Yeah. Just do it. Do the work.

01:05:36.341 –> 01:05:40.461
Do the work. And then the cool thing about it is you’re getting the same amount

01:05:40.461 –> 01:05:45.161
of work in it, but you’re coming out with a skill set that you’re not getting in other places.

01:05:45.641 –> 01:05:49.761
Right. Right. You’re learning to fight. Yeah. One you can actually use.

01:05:50.421 –> 01:05:56.501
Stuff you can actually use. And then probably, and this is going to sound crazy

01:05:56.501 –> 01:06:01.941
because I’m a fight coach, but probably the most valuable thing that you’re

01:06:01.941 –> 01:06:04.421
going to get in a fight gym.

01:06:05.061 –> 01:06:09.481
Get ready for it. It’s adult social interaction.

01:06:10.741 –> 01:06:14.241
Yeah. We are so starved.

01:06:15.081 –> 01:06:22.901
We are so starved of that in a modern world where we are really stifled.

01:06:22.981 –> 01:06:25.081
We can interact with people at work.

01:06:25.521 –> 01:06:32.081
We’re stifled. Obviously, we can’t interact with the same way with kids that we do with adults.

01:06:32.361 –> 01:06:38.441
Sure. We can’t be safe, but don’t even get me started on Facebook and all the social networks.

01:06:38.941 –> 01:06:44.921
A place like this is one of the very few places that you could come in and do

01:06:44.921 –> 01:06:50.861
this kind of primal activity with other human beings that you can’t do.

01:06:51.221 –> 01:06:57.761
And it’s not socially acceptable elsewhere. Come in here and touch hands with people and rough house.

01:06:58.201 –> 01:07:00.461
Yeah. And that is.

01:07:01.649 –> 01:07:05.889
I mean, I could just give you stacks of names of people that are like,

01:07:06.109 –> 01:07:11.249
well, the only way I’m able to keep my cool at work and, you know,

01:07:11.369 –> 01:07:14.369
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I manage my stress.

01:07:14.369 –> 01:07:18.289
I manage my, because I could come in here and blow off steam.

01:07:18.549 –> 01:07:21.629
I got my outlet. I’ve got my outlet.

01:07:22.569 –> 01:07:30.029
And on a day-to-day basis, that is probably the most valuable thing that you’re

01:07:30.029 –> 01:07:31.109
going to get out of training.

01:07:31.869 –> 01:07:35.489
In my opinion. And I’m an idiot, so what a one.

01:07:35.769 –> 01:07:41.589
No, I think it’s a brilliant point and one that doesn’t get talked about a lot

01:07:41.589 –> 01:07:45.209
because we’ve talked about all this, you know, come and get uncomfortable,

01:07:45.609 –> 01:07:48.469
jump in the deep end of the pool, get thrown in the lion’s den.

01:07:49.269 –> 01:07:55.129
It’s been talked about a lot. Like some of the best bonding between human beings

01:07:55.129 –> 01:07:59.089
is under duress and extreme circumstances.

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And so, you know, the irony of fighting and learning how to fight in that,

01:08:05.629 –> 01:08:08.769
you know, dare I say, especially in today’s society, asocial,

01:08:09.069 –> 01:08:15.389
atypical type of behaviors, it’s a really good opportunity to bond with others, right? Yeah.

01:08:17.240 –> 01:08:21.520
Yeah, and everything else just, and it’s not true for everybody,

01:08:21.520 –> 01:08:23.100
but everything melts away.

01:08:23.360 –> 01:08:27.980
Like, when I touch hands with somebody and we’re doing jujitsu or whatever it

01:08:27.980 –> 01:08:33.780
is that we’re doing, I don’t care about who you voted for. Right.

01:08:34.120 –> 01:08:41.320
I don’t give a shit about what your skinny color is. No. Or what you look your genitals on.

01:08:41.560 –> 01:08:44.240
Like, I don’t give a shit. Because it doesn’t matter.

01:08:44.660 –> 01:08:47.680
None of it matters. Yeah. it’s just

01:08:47.680 –> 01:08:50.560
two human beings just getting after

01:08:50.560 –> 01:08:54.380
it and it’s amazing yeah it’s amazing

01:08:54.380 –> 01:08:57.020
yeah and people are missing out on it

01:08:57.020 –> 01:08:59.720
if they’re not doing it oh i know believe me i

01:08:59.720 –> 01:09:02.720
know i know it’s it’s

01:09:02.720 –> 01:09:05.500
it’s been dare i say a zen place for

01:09:05.500 –> 01:09:08.500
me over the years oh yeah i’ve got i’ve

01:09:08.500 –> 01:09:11.460
got one guy that i do private lessons with and he’s always talking to

01:09:11.460 –> 01:09:14.840
me about like he reads a lot of books about flow state and kind

01:09:14.840 –> 01:09:18.140
of getting in this meditative state where we’re rolling jiu-jitsu and

01:09:18.140 –> 01:09:21.060
i actually have a few of vets that

01:09:21.060 –> 01:09:23.720
are really you know using that kind of

01:09:23.720 –> 01:09:26.780
thing for through gratefulness and being in the moment

01:09:26.780 –> 01:09:29.820
and dealing with terrible things

01:09:29.820 –> 01:09:32.540
like tsd sure and that’s not

01:09:32.540 –> 01:09:35.900
you know i’m not the kind of person that’s like come in whatever it’ll

01:09:35.900 –> 01:09:39.340
cure everything it’ll fix all your problems right it won’t

01:09:39.340 –> 01:09:42.880
no and everybody is going to be something different you

01:09:42.880 –> 01:09:45.780
know yeah but it can really be a release valve

01:09:45.780 –> 01:09:48.960
for a lot of people yeah yeah find that

01:09:48.960 –> 01:09:52.680
outlet good stress relief if nothing else absolutely.

01:09:52.680 –> 01:09:55.840
A different kind of stress perhaps but a good

01:09:55.840 –> 01:09:58.700
outlet yeah well i mean it’s like

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uh um you see on fight club

01:10:01.680 –> 01:10:04.360
right it’s like once you once you’ve been in this kind of

01:10:04.360 –> 01:10:07.240
situation it just turns the volume down and everything else in

01:10:07.240 –> 01:10:10.660
your life turns the volume down yeah

01:10:10.660 –> 01:10:14.000
nothing else seems as bad yeah i

01:10:14.000 –> 01:10:20.940
think because you have to be in the moment you have to be present because you

01:10:20.940 –> 01:10:24.260
are working because you are trying to figure things out because you are learning

01:10:24.260 –> 01:10:29.840
because you are trying not to be choked out by your partner yeah you know you

01:10:29.840 –> 01:10:32.580
have you You, you know, I, I’ve picked,

01:10:32.780 –> 01:10:36.560
I used to do it a lot when I was a kid. I don’t know if you ever did. I think it’s awesome.

01:10:36.700 –> 01:10:40.140
And I think it’s even, I think even more awesome now because I have an even

01:10:40.140 –> 01:10:41.580
greater appreciation with it.

01:10:41.620 –> 01:10:47.460
But I guess when I was in my early teens, maybe I started shooting bow and arrow at summer camp, right?

01:10:48.040 –> 01:10:51.260
Not a big deal. Did a couple of competitions, whatever.

01:10:51.800 –> 01:10:56.940
My dad wound up buying me a pretty decent compound bow back when I was in my

01:10:56.940 –> 01:11:04.200
early mid teens and I shot that in our backyard on occasion and just more recently

01:11:04.200 –> 01:11:09.480
like in the last nine months I’d say I picked myself up a recurve and started

01:11:09.480 –> 01:11:11.760
shooting in my backyard again,

01:11:12.622 –> 01:11:18.582
interesting. And I started out at a decent distance, like, I don’t know, 15 yards or something.

01:11:18.662 –> 01:11:22.822
I was like, I can’t, I probably haven’t forgotten all my skills.

01:11:23.682 –> 01:11:29.102
Yeah. Yeah. Where’s the target? Oh, it’s behind me. My bad. So I had to shrink

01:11:29.102 –> 01:11:30.682
it down and start out at 20.

01:11:30.822 –> 01:11:34.822
And then I’ve wound up going out to 10 yards and then 15. And now I’m able to

01:11:34.822 –> 01:11:39.802
hit bullseye, you know, at 35, 30, 35 yards without any issues.

01:11:39.902 –> 01:11:43.962
I’m just plinking in the backyard. But you know, the point of that is,

01:11:44.002 –> 01:11:48.462
is that I’ve, I found that outlet, another outlet. I found another Zen.

01:11:48.662 –> 01:11:53.022
I can’t, the point that I’m trying to make, like the fighting thing is that

01:11:53.022 –> 01:11:57.922
I can’t think about anything else because there’s so much tied up in my body

01:11:57.922 –> 01:12:01.982
mechanics and are my feet pointed in the right direction? Do I have my elbow up?

01:12:02.122 –> 01:12:07.202
Am I, you know, all of these things I’m thinking about simultaneously or not.

01:12:07.542 –> 01:12:11.302
And you’re having to manage all your resources. I’m managing all my resources

01:12:11.302 –> 01:12:16.142
and I am in that moment and present and it’s all I can do. And it’s wonderful.

01:12:16.502 –> 01:12:20.982
And, you know, fighting Krav, whatever you elect to do, I think is a lot like

01:12:20.982 –> 01:12:23.222
that because you can’t afford to be anywhere else.

01:12:23.222 –> 01:12:27.102
Because if, if you are, you mess up and then you’re disappointed and you’ve

01:12:27.102 –> 01:12:31.942
gone down a different path that you didn’t want to go. So. Yep. Yep.

01:12:32.590 –> 01:12:36.490
Yep, absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, this has been great.

01:12:36.750 –> 01:12:40.050
You want to talk about anything else that comes to mind?

01:12:40.670 –> 01:12:43.490
We’re about an hour and 18 right now.

01:12:44.250 –> 01:12:48.890
Yeah, we’ve been pretty good, haven’t we? Yeah. Yeah, this has been fun.

01:12:49.690 –> 01:12:53.950
Yeah. No, we could cut it loose today if we end up, you know,

01:12:53.990 –> 01:12:57.870
people end up having questions or anything and want us to start rapping again.

01:12:57.870 –> 01:12:59.710
I’m always happy to do it. Yeah.

01:13:00.070 –> 01:13:02.130
But no, this has been fun. Absolutely.

01:13:02.930 –> 01:13:06.170
Let everybody chew on this a little bit. Everybody go train.

01:13:06.530 –> 01:13:10.030
Yeah. Go train, go find a place you’re comfortable with and go train,

01:13:10.170 –> 01:13:12.130
get uncomfortable, learn something new.

01:13:12.730 –> 01:13:16.370
And if you need help finding a place, reach out to Jim, reach out to myself.

01:13:17.470 –> 01:13:20.750
There’s help out there, but go train. It’s there’s, there’s two,

01:13:20.910 –> 01:13:23.130
it’s too important not to. Yeah, absolutely.

01:13:23.450 –> 01:13:27.130
Very good point. Simple, but good point. So, you know, we were talking about

01:13:27.130 –> 01:13:28.990
early, it’s been six, 2018.

01:13:29.150 –> 01:13:35.830
I think I mentioned this in cast. we did on Krav originally a number of months ago.

01:13:35.970 –> 01:13:39.850
But, you know, if it hadn’t been for you, Jesse, I wouldn’t have explored this

01:13:39.850 –> 01:13:46.470
avenue. And it’s not just the Krav piece that it wound up bringing to my table, so to speak.

01:13:46.850 –> 01:13:51.650
I have a newfound interest in all things personal defense,

01:13:52.030 –> 01:13:54.950
self-defense, you know, personal safety, whatever like that,

01:13:55.010 –> 01:14:00.790
because of my experience and my going through the whole Krav Maga training and

01:14:00.790 –> 01:14:03.610
then the instructor phase training, all of that.

01:14:03.810 –> 01:14:07.590
And, and, you know, quite honestly, I have you to thank for that.

01:14:07.750 –> 01:14:12.570
So I want to thank you now that you’re actually doing a podcast for me, with me.

01:14:12.910 –> 01:14:17.430
I wanted to thank you personally again for that because it’s opened up a lot

01:14:17.430 –> 01:14:21.330
of doors for me and certainly made me think about a lot of things.

01:14:21.510 –> 01:14:25.510
And hopefully I’ve been able to help some people along the way too,

01:14:25.710 –> 01:14:28.770
because of it. So thank you. Well, ultimately, that’s what it’s all about.

01:14:33.030 –> 01:14:35.750
And we talked about goals a little bit.

01:14:36.110 –> 01:14:41.830
Ultimately, my goal for everybody is just to make them a little safer and improve

01:14:41.830 –> 01:14:44.230
their lives just a little bit every time they walk out the door.

01:14:45.610 –> 01:14:49.430
And hopefully that was true to all the listeners, too. If they took anything

01:14:49.430 –> 01:14:53.270
from it, then we got our job done today.

01:14:53.570 –> 01:14:57.190
Yeah, absolutely. I couldn’t agree more. Well, thanks for coming on.

01:14:58.030 –> 01:14:59.170
Absolutely. Look forward to

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the next one. Yeah, I’m sure we’ll catch up here soon. Yes, sir. Thanks.

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Music.