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Hello and welcome to another episode of the Self-Initiative Project Podcast.

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I’m your host, Jim O’Brien. Welcome to episode 15, where we talk today with

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Nathan Downing of Silverline Knife Designs and knives and their place in your self-defense toolkit.

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Nathan, how are you? I’m doing well. Good. Jim, how are you?

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Good, good. I’m glad we got to do this and thanks for coming on with us today.

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I actually can give you a little tidbit.

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My actual full last name is Two Eagles hyphen Downing. Tell us about that.

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Well, I’m part Ogallala Lakota, and I’m also Scotch-Irish, but I also have a

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little German and Castilian Spanish mixed in there, too.

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Gotcha. My mother is, I believe she’s half or a quarter Lakota.

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So she, her dad was actually the famous painter for a couple of the March Pow Wow posters.

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He actually is a famous painter in general. he also was one of the indian chiefs

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in blazing saddles and he also was in the movie neighbors.

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He’s a really cool guy and he

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was also a medicine man so i mean he yeah he was

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well well-versed individual well-versed good

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guy to know i’m sure so they named you two

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eagles did you have some kind of seasonal significant meaning or

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someone how did that come about actually it

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was that was our family last name on my

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mom’s side that was her maiden last name my parents

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decided to give me both of their last name and

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i was able to take care of some of my educational stuff because of that said

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last name yeah absolutely the cool thing though i can add in that is actually

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it was based off the chief two

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eagles who was one of the the actual chiefs there at the battle a little

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bighorn and yeah we were able to trace them back all the way to there i mean

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that’s kind of one cool little tidbit yeah definitely some her mother actually

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yeah oh this one’s also going to blow your mind a little bit her mother was actually the german.

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Part of my family and her family actually helped

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build mount rushmore really that was

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a small yeah there were a lot of workers on that that’s so

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cool yeah definitely and then when it comes to my my dad’s side which is the

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downing side we traced our family all the way back to scotland and ireland all

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the way back to 1642 i think something like that wow and when they first came over to

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the United States and basically had a family member on the Downing side there

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in every single American conflict except for Vietnam.

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Yeah. Wow. I mean, and of course, Lebanon and, you know, some of the more recent

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stuff, because my dad wanted to go into the Navy back in the 80s when I was,

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before I was a twinkle in his eye, as they say.

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Sure and he being born he

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uh didn’t go into the navy like he wanted he wanted to be an electrician

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yeah but that didn’t happen and he

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he chose to raise me instead so i thought that

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was really cool and here you are silver line

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knife designs obviously you design and make knives but tell us a little bit

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about you yourself your background your history and how you got into making

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knives in the first place okay

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well the first time i ever really kind of experienced any kind of metal,

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metalsmithing blacksmithing stuff like that was actually back when i

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was younger i was probably about 15 16 when i was working in a farrier’s camp

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back in a back in the day up in wyoming because my dad was tired of me just

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kind of hanging out at the house and he’s like yeah i I want you to go learn

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a trade, go do something.

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I’m like, okay, cool. So I started working on a ranch.

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And I fell in love with working with metal and made my first knife when I was

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up there. It was pretty cool. How old were you then?

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I was 17, basically.

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Yeah i was doing that and then from there kind of ran off and joined the marine corps actually,

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because i always wanted to be in the military as well so i went and did that

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stint i joined the marine corps back in 2005 kind of right in the middle of

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all that nonsense and yeah,

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Then kind of just kind of went from there, came to 2006.

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I was getting ready to deploy out to Iraq.

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And unfortunately, I became a diabetic.

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The pre-deployment shots that they gave me were a little, I guess,

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a little too aggressive on my system.

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I had an antibody issue where I had too many antibodies and nothing for them

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to fight. So they attacked themselves, basically.

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And my pancreas stopped functioning.

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So I was like, well, shoot, my Marine Corps is coming to an end.

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And then there in 2007, I got out on a medical discharge and decided to go pursue other ventures.

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Didn’t really touch on making knives for a little bit or anything like that

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until probably about 2010.

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When I was like, OK, I finally rented a house.

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I had my own little backyard, started working on stuff. And I was like,

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I really need a good work knife because I was working in a warehouse at the

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time and just kind of needed to use a lot of cutting stuff.

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And the little razor blade things that they gave us were kind of crap.

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And they said that we could have our own personal knives to use that if they work good for that.

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So that’s kind of where I started with making knives again. So you made your

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first knife when you were 17 and then out of necessity on the job kind of decided

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you were going to start figuring out how to make your own for that work. Yes.

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And it became kind of a hit. Yeah.

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Made a few knives for family and a couple of my co-workers and didn’t really

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start like selling my knives to the public until 2016 when i bought my house

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down here in colorado springs,

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and i approached nigel february the founder of hyperblade combative.

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And i was i approached him basically said hey

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i noticed you know like you know knives are

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becoming coming a big thing here again like with libre fighting

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systems they have they had a a blade sniff

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make their first knife and stuff like that i know you guys

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don’t have a knife yeah i would love to design you something and he’s like okay

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well what do you got and i showed him the first drawing for the mongoose knife

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which is pretty much my flagship knife and he immediately like Like, yes,

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make this and we’ll work something out.

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And I was like, all right, I can do that.

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Give me a couple of weeks here and I will make you one in steel.

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I’ll make one in titanium and I’ll get them sent out to you.

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So a couple of weeks went by, October rolled by and I made probably four or five initially.

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Actually, and after I sent the two to Nigel and it took nearly a month,

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like it was like October 31st and it finally showed up at his door.

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Why? We were afraid that it got lost in the post. Yeah. Got lost. I had sent it.

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Yeah, we thought we thought it had gone completely AWOL.

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But no, it was just them being very slow, having, you know, the post,

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the postal carriers I guess I have to fight lions or whatever. Yeah.

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Whatever it may be. But when they showed up, he, he was like,

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this knife is, this knife is perfect. And.

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Just kind of rolled from there. And I’m like, awesome. Let’s see if we can get

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some more of these knives in your, your people’s hands.

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So we can have a kind of a good standing with stuff. And then,

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uh, he did a video of him working with the knife and it just kind of went from

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there. Like everything just kind of launched from that point.

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And he started actually teaching me Piper at that point, because I made myself a, a mongoose as well.

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Of course, Of course, you have to have your own Ongos, right?

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Yeah, I had to make my own. I wanted to start learning because I got tired of

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using those shitty old copies. Like those things are crap.

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So the first ones I got a hold of were just god awful.

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It was maybe a week or two after that. I really would love to learn more about

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the system because I had seen it before.

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Like when I got out of the military, I was looking for other martial arts systems

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and stuff like that, trying to get back into that kind of world.

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And I got shown some of Piper and stuff like that from the instructor I was with at the time.

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He was actually teaching me Qikundo.

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Okay. Yep.

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And he’s like, hey, what do you think about this stuff? And we actually kind

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of started exploring with Libre, kind of practicing the five pack and stuff like that.

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And then he’s like, you know, this doesn’t kind of seem to suit you.

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And I’m like, okay. like try doing this one and you show me videos of piper i’m like what is this so,

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it was it was really kind of where everything

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kind of went up from there and then and everything else with the mongoose happened

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but yeah actually being able to have that touching base with nigel and being

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able to learn from him really dialed in a few of my other knife designs that

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that I created after the mongoose.

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The big one that kind of popped up after just the mongoose, it was my honey

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badger knife and the meerkat knife.

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Those two suddenly just became something he really wanted to see more of.

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And that’s kind of what I’ve got now.

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So I have three Piper blades that are just all in to win it.

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For that styling of things they’re great for the

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stab they can work as an edc knife if

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you really have to i think the mongoose still trumps

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both of them in the regard that it

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doesn’t look like a fighting knife it’s very simplistic very

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utilitarian and that’s the way

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i made it so that it could just blend in with a normal knife

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and if you had to use it real quick you could get into

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work and you know do what you have to another

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kind of big one that became a good fan that nigel

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became a fan of a little bit was the hornet knife which is my wharncliffe style

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knife that can be held i don’t think i’ve seen the hornet yet i need to yeah

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i have one sitting on my my bench yeah the hornet was actually one of my kind

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of uh secret squirrel knives because.

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It’s it’s a mean mean little knife

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if you looked on my instagram i think you

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might be able to see one it’s actually made of titanium it

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has a red red paracord handle on

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it yes i have seen that one yep i do remember

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it yep yeah so you kind

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of got your start and then piper kind of

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shaped the directionally where you took your

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blades and so that was going to be part of my questioning is

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you know what’s the difference between piper

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and libre and traditional filipino blade work blade handling why is one preferred

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over the other etc for me personally i i definitely definitely kind of jives

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on the same frequency as Nigel when it comes to,

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knife combative stuff,

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the way we, we, I mean, I, I share his philosophy that.

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You stab live flesh and you cut dead flesh.

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So a lot of what drew me more towards Piper than any other kind of stuff.

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I mean, yes, I practice a lot. I do a scream on Kali and everything like that. Yeah.

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But that comes with JKD basically at this point.

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Point um i was more drawn to it because it was just hands down the most super effective.

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Method for me but it’s not really a martial art it’s a killing system yeah so with that in mind,

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if i’m going to be pulling a knife to have to you know

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do something i’m not going to leave them alive that’s

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where my head goes that’s my mindset that’s my own personal intent

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well you got to of figure if you’re in a situation where

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you need to be using a knife or feel like you need to go

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to a you know that level of force then you

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know much like they talk about in the firearm community you

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know you don’t shoot the wound you don’t shoot warning sight shots

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you know you stop the threat so i imagine that

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applies when it goes comes to blade work too yes absolutely and that’s kind

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of where my my head is always kind of gone gone with when it comes to personal

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self-defense in that regard like you react to the level of threat that’s being

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presented and i’ve i’ve been in a few,

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instances i mean i i did some bouncing work i worked as a bouncer at a couple bars.

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And some music venues. And any time we had to deal with like really rowdy kind

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of people or stuff like that, or we had to keep an eye out on questionable folks,

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it was, you know, oh, are they, are they just being drunk and angry?

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Are they, what kind of presentation are they giving to us? What is what’s making

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them stick out past the baseline of the crowd?

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So we would always gauge or things like that.

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I mean, yeah, a lot of the empty hand work, you know, comes into play.

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But at the same time we’re also sitting there like look we’re not gonna you

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know play play 20 rounds with you to get you out of the out of our space and

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get you from you know making things work more worse than what you know you’ve

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already done but they need to be trying to clean up,

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yeah like trying to clean up but you know someone who vomits like trying to

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clean up the mess but then suddenly you got this other idiot who’s deciding

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to dance around inside vomit you’re Okay, no, we’re not going to be playing

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this game. You’re going to go.

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Right. So it’s just being able to kind of dictate, you know,

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level of four, how it’s going to have to go.

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And sometimes those guys, they’re on more than just the alcohol that’s being served.

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You know, it becomes a little more dangerous.

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Yeah. So now we were talking ahead of this.

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Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. I was going to say, it just really kind of would dictate

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how our actions go from there. Sure.

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Absolutely. Yeah. And we were talking before we did this recording,

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and you had mentioned in passing that you had been stabbed.

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Tell us about that story. Yes.

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The delightful time of when I was stabbed. I say this sarcastically.

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Well, now, was that in context of your bouncing and whatever else,

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or was that completely unrelated?

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It was. Okay. Yeah.

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Yeah, well, the first time I was stabbed, yes, it was totally in context of that. The first time.

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Yeah. Second time, it was a guy tried to mug me, and he wiped the knife at me.

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I’ll tell you that here in a second.

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We had one gentleman who had passed out at the music venue we were at,

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and we got a hold of the paramedics there, and we were working alongside him

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trying to get the guy up and trying to get everything like that.

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And they they dosed the guy with narcan because they could tell he was higher than a nice so.

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When he came to he immediately started lashing

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out and nobody was paying attention properly we were all just kind of like okay

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he’s down and now he’s awake okay come on dude let’s try to go and then he had

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taken his knife out and he stabbed me in the side of my leg and it was this

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crappy Happy little, little,

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you know, gas station folder type thing. Chinese folder. Yeah.

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Right above the knee. And I’m like, oh, did he just punch me?

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What the hell is going on? Yeah. And then I looked down and I thought my, my leg was bleeding.

00:17:34.966 –> 00:17:38.846
I was like, what the hell? And I saw he had a knife. And so he went from being

00:17:38.846 –> 00:17:42.206
conscious to unconscious again, really quickly. Sure.

00:17:42.766 –> 00:17:46.586
We took him out and the police were there.

00:17:46.706 –> 00:17:49.826
They, they took him into custody. Did he ask me if I wanted to press charges?

00:17:49.826 –> 00:17:53.786
Like, I won’t press charges if his insurance will cover what has to happen to my leg.

00:17:54.346 –> 00:17:57.586
Like, hey, he missed everything really vital.

00:17:57.886 –> 00:18:05.226
You got a nice inch and a half wide dash in your leg now because he stuck the bone. I’m like, okay.

00:18:05.666 –> 00:18:09.226
Nice. So basically, we’re just going to bandage it up and call it a good.

00:18:09.346 –> 00:18:10.526
And they’re like, yeah, pretty much. Like, okay.

00:18:11.666 –> 00:18:13.966
So that was my first time being stabbed.

00:18:15.306 –> 00:18:22.846
Second time being stabbed. I was just out being myself, not working,

00:18:22.986 –> 00:18:25.226
doing my own thing, out at a bar.

00:18:27.306 –> 00:18:35.166
And I ended up catching the guy’s knife there on my forearm because I went to

00:18:35.166 –> 00:18:38.326
protect my face because he swung at me when I told him that he could go pound sand.

00:18:38.786 –> 00:18:41.126
And he’s coming at me with a little paring knife, right? Right.

00:18:42.306 –> 00:18:50.526
He, he, he got me decently across the top of my arm and it turned into kind

00:18:50.526 –> 00:18:56.706
of a defense, got cut and then kind of turned into a fisticuffs things.

00:18:56.786 –> 00:18:59.066
Cause when I hit him, he dropped his knife.

00:18:59.786 –> 00:19:03.686
And so it just kind of turned into a normal kind of fight thing.

00:19:04.606 –> 00:19:09.926
And I’m wailing on the dude. apparently someone had seen the altercation happen

00:19:09.926 –> 00:19:15.686
and then suddenly in a couple minutes i mean it was probably five minutes or

00:19:15.686 –> 00:19:19.126
something i don’t know it felt like an eternity for me i’m sure.

00:19:21.115 –> 00:19:24.195
Cops were all over us. They told me to get off him. I’m backing off.

00:19:24.335 –> 00:19:28.055
And they’re like, whoa, dude, you’re cut. I’m like, yeah, this guy just tried to mug me. I told him no.

00:19:28.395 –> 00:19:30.575
And then told him what happened.

00:19:31.995 –> 00:19:38.755
So he already had the knife out. It escalated quickly, but he already had it.

00:19:39.115 –> 00:19:43.455
He went to punch you, but next thing you know, there’s a knife involved.

00:19:44.495 –> 00:19:48.335
Yeah, he had the knife out, and he was actually trying to use it as an intimidating

00:19:48.335 –> 00:19:51.675
thing to tell me. And he’s like, tell me, hey, give me your wallet type thing.

00:19:51.715 –> 00:19:53.475
And I told him he can go pound town. Gotcha.

00:19:53.935 –> 00:19:58.435
And so he cut at me. Yeah. And that’s where it kind of went from there, right? Yeah.

00:19:58.855 –> 00:20:02.475
Kind of some super simple, super short, kind of ridiculous.

00:20:03.695 –> 00:20:07.055
But I was slightly drunk and just didn’t care.

00:20:07.695 –> 00:20:12.595
Yeah. So, yeah, that was, you know, we talked about that, too.

00:20:12.755 –> 00:20:15.415
And, you know, I’m thinking to myself, all right, well, you know,

00:20:15.415 –> 00:20:19.035
we talk about the self-defense world. How do you stay out of these types of

00:20:19.035 –> 00:20:20.535
things in the first place, right?

00:20:20.635 –> 00:20:24.895
One guy woke up from a bad trip and got the drop on you because,

00:20:25.055 –> 00:20:27.055
you know, nobody saw the knife coming.

00:20:27.215 –> 00:20:32.475
And the next time a guy threatens you with a blade and actually is willing to use it.

00:20:32.535 –> 00:20:36.195
And, of course, you saw that one coming but maybe didn’t think that he was serious

00:20:36.195 –> 00:20:37.975
about it or it happened so fast.

00:20:38.115 –> 00:20:41.455
Oh, you are going to use the blade, right? But in both of those scenarios,

00:20:41.695 –> 00:20:47.395
what would you have done differently and what do you think could have happened to maybe not get cut?

00:20:48.035 –> 00:20:52.135
Sometimes it’s unavoidable, right? But what would you have done differently, do you think?

00:20:53.475 –> 00:20:56.115
Honestly, with the guy who stuck me in the leg.

00:20:57.754 –> 00:21:01.054
Probably should have just stepped back as soon as they administered the Narcan,

00:21:01.134 –> 00:21:04.714
but we were thinking that he was going to be docile and kind of,

00:21:04.714 –> 00:21:07.334
you know, we could just kind of get him up and get him out.

00:21:07.934 –> 00:21:10.854
Hey, man, you doing okay? We’re just going to take you outside and kind of go

00:21:10.854 –> 00:21:14.634
from there and let them sort them out. But it escalated to what it did.

00:21:15.294 –> 00:21:18.534
I mean, it was really just kind of being aware of the situation.

00:21:18.654 –> 00:21:22.694
We really didn’t have a whole lot of wiggle room, in all honesty.

00:21:22.694 –> 00:21:28.854
But the second one definitely could have been me, you know, being a little more aware.

00:21:29.394 –> 00:21:35.474
But even then, I mean, walking, if you’re ever in Denver, there’s like a certain

00:21:35.474 –> 00:21:43.034
hour, like right when the bars close, everyone’s exiting the areas and kind of going like that.

00:21:43.074 –> 00:21:45.594
I was already on foot. I wasn’t like driving or anything.

00:21:45.754 –> 00:21:51.954
Yeah. I actually was, my parents actually lived close enough to downtown Denver that I could walk.

00:21:51.954 –> 00:21:54.954
Sure so i i was i i

00:21:54.954 –> 00:21:59.074
wasn’t like sloppy drunk but i wasn’t fully engaged

00:21:59.074 –> 00:22:01.934
in looking at my surroundings because i’d done this thing

00:22:01.934 –> 00:22:07.394
done that walk a few times didn’t have to have any worries and i figured it

00:22:07.394 –> 00:22:15.254
would be another night like that turned out i was just mistaken i would i would

00:22:15.254 –> 00:22:21.374
say that having good situational awareness yeah is is a main staple i mean that’s,

00:22:21.954 –> 00:22:29.034
If you’re aware of people around you, you’re probably able to kind of get a better idea that, OK,

00:22:29.234 –> 00:22:33.934
I’m going to go this way and kind of avoid them or like get off their track

00:22:33.934 –> 00:22:37.534
or kind of not appear to be as an easy target.

00:22:39.408 –> 00:22:46.008
The thing that’s kind of growing in downtown Denver, I mean,

00:22:46.048 –> 00:22:50.568
that area, it’s turned into a damn madhouse, especially in the evening.

00:22:51.348 –> 00:22:59.008
So you really have to be on your A-game. Paying attention. Like getting out at night. Yeah.

00:22:59.388 –> 00:23:02.888
It’s been several years. If you’re not going from the bar to a thing,

00:23:03.028 –> 00:23:08.408
to a car or taxi, Uber, whatever, and then going, then you don’t know whatever.

00:23:08.408 –> 00:23:10.828
But if you’re not, be in a group of people.

00:23:11.448 –> 00:23:14.568
Yeah. It’s been several years since I’ve been out there.

00:23:14.628 –> 00:23:17.108
I had a buddy of mine that lived there for a number of years,

00:23:17.148 –> 00:23:22.388
and I’d go out every, sometimes every year, but probably every two or so and hang out.

00:23:22.428 –> 00:23:24.768
And we’d hit the bar district down there.

00:23:24.868 –> 00:23:30.908
And we never had any problems directly ourselves, but we were also making sure

00:23:30.908 –> 00:23:32.688
we stayed in the populated areas.

00:23:33.168 –> 00:23:36.928
But I do know that gangs were getting to be more and more of an issue.

00:23:36.928 –> 00:23:39.808
You and of course you know I heard about some shootings or

00:23:39.808 –> 00:23:42.628
whatever but I haven’t been out there for some time

00:23:42.628 –> 00:23:46.408
I’ve still got some people I know out that way but it’s

00:23:46.408 –> 00:23:49.588
probably like a lot of metropolitan areas probably getting to

00:23:49.588 –> 00:23:56.848
be rougher and rougher in some cases yeah and the actual kind of dynamic of

00:23:56.848 –> 00:24:01.888
Denver is different than the rest of the state like you can have a concealed

00:24:01.888 –> 00:24:06.548
carry permit in the in the county of Denver however you

00:24:06.928 –> 00:24:11.008
Like there’s so many other regulations in law that basically say you can’t carry it downtown.

00:24:11.908 –> 00:24:14.528
Yeah, probably because I’m not boring stuff.

00:24:15.348 –> 00:24:21.268
Oh Yeah, that was a big part of it but like just even in general I my dad’s

00:24:21.268 –> 00:24:23.748
been mugged twice he works downtown and,

00:24:24.528 –> 00:24:29.068
He couldn’t have his his own pistol on him So you just give his wallet could

00:24:29.068 –> 00:24:32.988
tell guys get that away, you know, or you know Yeah, tell him to leave him alone.

00:24:33.188 –> 00:24:36.888
It’s like here you got my wallet and then he’s immediately you know getting

00:24:36.888 –> 00:24:40.888
away from the scene and having to deal with those things i mean it in the two

00:24:40.888 –> 00:24:46.108
times that it did happen he was you know like jumped by two people,

00:24:46.608 –> 00:24:49.668
they both armed with guns pointing them at his at him

00:24:49.668 –> 00:24:54.048
telling to give him his wallet phone and everything like that so he he chose

00:24:54.048 –> 00:25:01.608
the path of least least resistance which i’m grateful that he did yeah because

00:25:01.608 –> 00:25:05.308
if it was me i’d be like oh no we’re gonna brawl let’s do this but then again

00:25:05.308 –> 00:25:08.688
And that’s just because I’m a stubborn ass Marine type.

00:25:08.768 –> 00:25:11.068
I mean, that’s that mindset never left me. Right.

00:25:11.208 –> 00:25:18.108
I’m a, I’m stubborn to the core and I’m, I’m okay with dying,

00:25:18.288 –> 00:25:20.048
but I’m going to take them with me.

00:25:20.068 –> 00:25:24.188
Sure. But you know, that’s not the, that’s not the best mindset to ever have

00:25:24.188 –> 00:25:26.688
in all honesty. I mean, even as a parent.

00:25:27.148 –> 00:25:29.808
Yeah. Go home, go home safe. It.

00:25:31.180 –> 00:25:38.860
Yeah. Yeah. It’s far better to go home safe and intact and trying to stroke your ego.

00:25:39.100 –> 00:25:45.080
Well, I think, you know, if I had to make a positive, put that in a positive

00:25:45.080 –> 00:25:48.180
light for a moment, I think, you know, when it comes to self-defense,

00:25:48.340 –> 00:25:52.900
especially if you are presented the opportunity to use a blade or whatever,

00:25:53.060 –> 00:25:55.880
mindset really is going to play an important part of that.

00:25:55.880 –> 00:26:00.460
And, you know, we talk about grit and having perseverance and,

00:26:00.520 –> 00:26:06.620
you know, the ability to envision you making yourself, making it through a bad

00:26:06.620 –> 00:26:08.800
situation and coming out on the other side.

00:26:08.860 –> 00:26:12.880
I think that sort of mindset can be positive for you.

00:26:13.120 –> 00:26:18.120
So kind of circling this back around to the using knives and self-defense scenarios,

00:26:18.440 –> 00:26:21.360
we’ve kind of talked about a couple of bad things that have happened to you.

00:26:21.360 –> 00:26:27.420
And, you know, some common commonalities are is you need to maintain that situational

00:26:27.420 –> 00:26:31.380
awareness like you do the rest of the time. They can come on fast.

00:26:32.100 –> 00:26:35.900
They can be used and you not even realize it initially.

00:26:36.520 –> 00:26:41.380
And one thing that I heard years ago, and maybe you can confirm or deny,

00:26:41.640 –> 00:26:46.080
but if I had to summarize it, I was told years ago that if someone’s got a knife,

00:26:46.080 –> 00:26:48.860
especially if they pull you pull a knife on

00:26:48.860 –> 00:26:51.520
you and you see them got that knife and pull it on you

00:26:51.520 –> 00:26:54.300
they’re probably more willing to use it than

00:26:54.300 –> 00:26:59.520
the next guy and that’s something you need to be pretty aware of too i i heard

00:26:59.520 –> 00:27:02.220
that years ago i don’t even remember who told me that but if they’re willing

00:27:02.220 –> 00:27:05.940
to carry a knife and if they’ve got it drawn on you they’re probably willing

00:27:05.940 –> 00:27:12.260
to use it on you too and that’s something that you know you got to be prepared for oh yeah definitely.

00:27:13.600 –> 00:27:18.640
Apparently, that guy that I got into the thing with, he had been wanted for

00:27:18.640 –> 00:27:22.540
more than a dozen armed robberies.

00:27:22.540 –> 00:27:25.420
And he actually did stab one of the guys. He wasn’t afraid.

00:27:25.840 –> 00:27:29.920
Like full boat. And he put the guy in the hospital, kind of stabbed.

00:27:30.060 –> 00:27:31.860
He was ready to rock and roll.

00:27:32.120 –> 00:27:37.160
So cordiality on my end, obviously. But we go right back to the thing.

00:27:37.240 –> 00:27:39.960
It’s intent. intent yeah if you

00:27:39.960 –> 00:27:43.120
have intent you will do it your mindset

00:27:43.120 –> 00:27:47.220
says yay or nay that fight

00:27:47.220 –> 00:27:50.860
flight or freeze if you want to play the play that card a little bit but it’s

00:27:50.860 –> 00:27:54.660
yeah it’s all about the intent whether or not you’re willing to go that extra

00:27:54.660 –> 00:28:00.020
mile it’s like no you’re not taking what i’ve earned or here you can have it

00:28:00.020 –> 00:28:03.880
i can replace it yeah it all kind of comes down to that kind of.

00:28:04.903 –> 00:28:07.903
Thought process i think yeah you know the thing about

00:28:07.903 –> 00:28:10.643
knives and playing with knives and

00:28:10.643 –> 00:28:14.383
especially if you’re going to use a knife hopefully for good you know defending

00:28:14.383 –> 00:28:19.103
yourself which is what we’re talking about here is that it’s a very personal

00:28:19.103 –> 00:28:24.583
activity right you’ve got to be very close it’s not long or longer range like

00:28:24.583 –> 00:28:28.383
a firearm might be if you’re opting to carry that or even something Something is,

00:28:28.423 –> 00:28:34.843
you know, I say benign, but something less lethal like OC spray where you’ve got some distance.

00:28:35.583 –> 00:28:39.843
Knives are very, very personal. I mean, you got to be up close and up front

00:28:39.843 –> 00:28:41.143
and it’s going to be messy.

00:28:41.803 –> 00:28:47.463
What is really the viability of, you know, I always emphasize training when

00:28:47.463 –> 00:28:50.943
it comes to whether it’s empty hand or firearms.

00:28:51.063 –> 00:28:54.543
But I assume it’s going to be the same sort of thing for blades.

00:28:54.543 –> 00:29:00.843
But what is the viability of average Joe or average Mary opting to carry a knife?

00:29:00.963 –> 00:29:04.923
And what advice would you give them if they’re going to opt to carry a blade

00:29:04.923 –> 00:29:10.923
as a maybe not their primary go to, but just as an option? What should they be thinking about?

00:29:11.083 –> 00:29:14.503
What should they be aware of? And what should they keep in consideration in

00:29:14.503 –> 00:29:17.683
the back of their mind if they’re going to try to use a blade for self-defense?

00:29:18.263 –> 00:29:23.723
Well, first of all, study your local state laws. Like, that’s a huge thing.

00:29:24.543 –> 00:29:31.283
Know the laws in regards to a fixed blade or a folder, whatever the laws are

00:29:31.283 –> 00:29:34.163
for where you’re at. Know the laws.

00:29:35.463 –> 00:29:37.623
It’s the same even if you’re carrying a gun.

00:29:39.243 –> 00:29:47.803
Know those laws and understand what implications come with using them in a self-defense situation.

00:29:47.923 –> 00:29:52.983
So if you’re going to be, say, carrying a three-inch blade, we’ll just make

00:29:52.983 –> 00:29:54.183
it kind of a general thing here.

00:29:54.543 –> 00:29:58.663
Be it a folder or fixed blade, say you’re carrying that three inch blade with

00:29:58.663 –> 00:30:01.183
you everywhere you go and it’s perfectly legal, everything like that.

00:30:01.203 –> 00:30:02.943
But then the second you use it on someone,

00:30:03.913 –> 00:30:09.673
Because they were trying to rob you or abduct you or whatever the situation may be.

00:30:10.653 –> 00:30:15.713
My advice would be to understand that when you use that weapon,

00:30:15.793 –> 00:30:19.133
you need to actually, it’s not even a weapon, it’s a tool.

00:30:20.013 –> 00:30:23.393
Because your mindset is going to be the one that dictates.

00:30:24.633 –> 00:30:28.053
That’s right there. That mind is your actual weapon.

00:30:28.133 –> 00:30:31.493
It’s a tool. to understand that there’s going

00:30:31.493 –> 00:30:34.173
to be the fight on the street and then there’s going to be the fight in

00:30:34.173 –> 00:30:37.313
the courtroom but when you you know

00:30:37.313 –> 00:30:42.393
like when you feel it in your bones you’re like i don’t want to die and they’re

00:30:42.393 –> 00:30:47.853
presenting that like they’re going to try to kill you you get them first then

00:30:47.853 –> 00:30:56.473
understand your fight’s not over yeah when you when you initiate and apply that killer or intense,

00:30:56.653 –> 00:31:02.233
you’re going to have to have more than one fight, or if you’re lucky, and you,

00:31:03.033 –> 00:31:07.773
got one bad dude, you weren’t sure if he died or not, but you were able to get away and.

00:31:08.933 –> 00:31:12.673
Find help or anything like that, and then they find the guy dead somewhere else,

00:31:12.753 –> 00:31:14.333
be like, hey, yeah, he attacked me,

00:31:15.247 –> 00:31:19.087
I felt a general danger to

00:31:19.087 –> 00:31:21.947
my well-being and my life and I acted

00:31:21.947 –> 00:31:24.627
accordingly and you understand I guess this is

00:31:24.627 –> 00:31:29.747
what I used or you ditch it like I and if the guy didn’t have a knife or anything

00:31:29.747 –> 00:31:33.387
on him when they found him dead he’d be like yeah I took his knife from him

00:31:33.387 –> 00:31:39.787
and seven and I ran through the knife somewhere and in my in my haste yeah or

00:31:39.787 –> 00:31:42.707
however you want to phrase it you know Kind of building that kind of thing.

00:31:43.007 –> 00:31:49.787
Yeah. So that it’s always going to be more than one kind of altercation you have to worry about.

00:31:50.007 –> 00:31:54.187
Yeah. And so that’s the common thing, I think, what we’re saying between if

00:31:54.187 –> 00:32:00.627
you opted to use a blade in self-defense or a firearm, that is a commonality they both share.

00:32:00.927 –> 00:32:04.047
Because we say that all the time in the firearms community.

00:32:04.407 –> 00:32:07.527
Know your local laws. laws know that

00:32:07.527 –> 00:32:10.767
even if you get through from a criminal perspective

00:32:10.767 –> 00:32:14.327
assuming you’ve met the reasonable man jury criteria

00:32:14.327 –> 00:32:18.007
that they use to judge the outcome that you’re

00:32:18.007 –> 00:32:23.147
likely going to have to deal with civil and you know if you get up and run away

00:32:23.147 –> 00:32:28.047
that’s great but you should also probably be the one to call 9-1-1 and just

00:32:28.047 –> 00:32:32.747
know that saying i feared for my life is not just an automatic get out of jail

00:32:32.747 –> 00:32:35.907
card you’re still going to have to go through that reasonable man jury.

00:32:36.487 –> 00:32:41.047
And meet or address all the criteria that they have for that we’re not trying

00:32:41.047 –> 00:32:47.107
to give legal advice here but the point is is that legalities and being certain

00:32:47.107 –> 00:32:51.787
that you can respond the way you need to and understand what the legal ramifications

00:32:51.787 –> 00:32:53.487
are and what you should do.

00:32:54.147 –> 00:32:59.767
Is is very important so i think that’s some great advice certainly uh whatever

00:32:59.767 –> 00:33:05.247
things should they They be prepared for if they opt to use blades and self-defense.

00:33:05.807 –> 00:33:07.387
Be prepared for a lot of blood.

00:33:08.367 –> 00:33:11.707
No. Yeah. The obvious. Be prepared for that level of gore.

00:33:13.177 –> 00:33:17.937
That’s a great point because as soon as you as soon as you step like you can

00:33:17.937 –> 00:33:22.877
you and i say we could get into a fist fight but the second one of us deploys

00:33:22.877 –> 00:33:25.577
a knife you are immediately changing,

00:33:26.737 –> 00:33:30.437
the that person’s bodily condition say

00:33:30.437 –> 00:33:33.077
because you can get into a fist fight and wake up the next day and be like yeah

00:33:33.077 –> 00:33:36.497
whatever i was in a fist fight but as

00:33:36.497 –> 00:33:42.737
soon as you stab someone else you are immediately decreasing their value of

00:33:42.737 –> 00:33:49.037
life you’re causing them to bleed so it’s just like having oil in a motor you

00:33:49.037 –> 00:33:53.077
know when all the oil runs out it stops yeah right so,

00:33:53.637 –> 00:33:57.617
you’re prepared for a lot of blood and it comes fast and it happens quickly

00:33:57.617 –> 00:34:05.497
if you’ve done your job right oh yeah i know there’s plenty of medical documentations

00:34:05.497 –> 00:34:11.157
on how exsanguination Extinguination works on people in an average.

00:34:11.837 –> 00:34:14.017
Sometimes it’s quicker. Sometimes it takes longer.

00:34:15.657 –> 00:34:19.597
But today, exinguination is exinguination.

00:34:19.797 –> 00:34:24.037
Be prepared for that kind of mess. And you may even lose your knife because your hands get wet.

00:34:24.357 –> 00:34:26.417
Yeah. Yeah, that’s another good point too.

00:34:27.017 –> 00:34:30.417
A whole other kind of situation.

00:34:30.517 –> 00:34:34.077
Say you stuck the guy a couple of times, your hands are covered in blood.

00:34:34.077 –> 00:34:37.097
And say you get

00:34:37.097 –> 00:34:41.857
cut too in that section too because that’s another thing when the knife is involved

00:34:41.857 –> 00:34:46.837
whether you’re the one who’s using it or they are always be prepared to be either

00:34:46.837 –> 00:34:52.477
cut or stabbed as well yeah you know never going to be in a dueling kind of

00:34:52.477 –> 00:34:57.017
fashion it’s going to be in an ambush or counter ambush yeah back and forth have that kind of.

00:34:57.918 –> 00:35:01.598
Have that kind of understanding with it. Yeah, that’s a really good point too.

00:35:01.798 –> 00:35:06.918
You know, I’ve done a tiny bit of knife defense in my limited Krav Maga experience.

00:35:07.198 –> 00:35:12.118
And that’s the one thing that fortunately a lot of instructors do a good job

00:35:12.118 –> 00:35:16.338
in emphasizing is, look, if you get into a knife fight or you get into a brawl

00:35:16.338 –> 00:35:19.558
where a knife’s involved, you can just assume you’re going to get cut.

00:35:19.998 –> 00:35:23.178
It’s about how little you get away with being cut.

00:35:24.058 –> 00:35:27.018
But if a knife gets involved, you’re probably going to get cut.

00:35:27.178 –> 00:35:32.578
It doesn’t matter who you are. On a related note, I heard this years ago,

00:35:32.638 –> 00:35:35.758
and I hear things, and I remember the things I hear, but the problem with me

00:35:35.758 –> 00:35:39.178
is I never remember who first said them to me or where I heard it.

00:35:39.578 –> 00:35:43.438
But I remember, I think I was actually reading a forum, and it may have been

00:35:43.438 –> 00:35:48.158
Krav related, or I may have just been reading miscellaneous martial arts forums

00:35:48.158 –> 00:35:49.438
as I’ve done over the years.

00:35:49.518 –> 00:35:54.318
But a gentleman said, he said He said something, in fact, and I can’t quote

00:35:54.318 –> 00:35:59.058
exactly, but he said, there’s no such thing as a knife expert,

00:35:59.338 –> 00:36:04.118
a knife fighting expert, because if there were, they would probably all be dead.

00:36:04.898 –> 00:36:09.398
What do you think? Oh, yeah, totally. Yeah. I 100% agree.

00:36:09.398 –> 00:36:13.078
Agree when it comes to having those

00:36:13.078 –> 00:36:16.958
kind of engagements you really want

00:36:16.958 –> 00:36:20.658
to limit how many of them you have because in

00:36:20.658 –> 00:36:23.538
one way or another like we

00:36:23.538 –> 00:36:26.298
just said if you’re in a knife fight be prepared to get

00:36:26.298 –> 00:36:29.038
cut or stabbed it happens even with people

00:36:29.038 –> 00:36:32.698
who are very well versed with an eye yeah um

00:36:32.698 –> 00:36:35.878
you can be on that receiving

00:36:35.878 –> 00:36:39.758
end and it will be your last so there’s

00:36:39.758 –> 00:36:42.438
some guys who step away from everything like that and try to

00:36:42.438 –> 00:36:46.098
do their very best not to get into those situations because they’ve seen it

00:36:46.098 –> 00:36:52.758
enough or they’ve killed enough people to know that this isn’t something where

00:36:52.758 –> 00:36:59.278
you come out on top you have to kind of understand your limitations as a person

00:36:59.278 –> 00:37:01.838
mentally physically physically, emotionally, everything.

00:37:02.498 –> 00:37:06.878
And you have to know when it is good to step away from that kind of lifestyle.

00:37:07.018 –> 00:37:12.178
Because if it starts becoming very normal for you, and you just have no care

00:37:12.178 –> 00:37:17.618
in the world of how your engagements go or anything like that, you need to step away.

00:37:18.713 –> 00:37:23.453
But you don’t. That’s where that’s that’s when you get complacent and you die.

00:37:23.593 –> 00:37:26.313
Well, hopefully you’re in self-defense scenarios.

00:37:26.493 –> 00:37:30.393
You’re avoiding being in repetitive scenarios where those sorts of things are

00:37:30.393 –> 00:37:33.233
happening on an ongoing or regular basis anyway.

00:37:33.433 –> 00:37:36.113
But that’s certainly a good point. If you do get to that point,

00:37:36.233 –> 00:37:40.253
you’re visiting the same roughneck bar every weekend and getting cut every other

00:37:40.253 –> 00:37:44.853
month and you haven’t decided to back away and not visit that bar again,

00:37:45.033 –> 00:37:47.453
then you do need to keep yourself in check.

00:37:47.453 –> 00:37:51.013
And if you’re not backing away for the normal reasons you should be,

00:37:51.133 –> 00:37:56.313
then maybe that’s cause to consider a lifestyle change, if nothing else.

00:37:56.873 –> 00:38:03.633
So if if someone that again, we’re talking about the average Joe and average Mary here possibly.

00:38:04.433 –> 00:38:09.073
And we’ve gotten past, you know, we’re comfortable or just have accepted the

00:38:09.073 –> 00:38:14.533
legal ramifications about using deadly force, using a blade, you know, the normal.

00:38:14.533 –> 00:38:17.853
And it doesn’t really change between using a knife or a gun.

00:38:17.953 –> 00:38:19.473
It’s that escalated force.

00:38:19.593 –> 00:38:24.873
It’s the level of force being used and the type of damage that level of force can be used.

00:38:25.053 –> 00:38:28.213
If we’re comfortable with that, we think we’re okay with blood.

00:38:28.553 –> 00:38:32.373
We’re okay being close. We’re okay with the fact that I’m probably not going

00:38:32.373 –> 00:38:37.693
to see or fill a knife initially, and I still think I want to include it.

00:38:37.733 –> 00:38:42.193
Maybe it’s my primary go-to tool, but certainly maybe a secondary.

00:38:42.193 –> 00:38:47.893
You know, all of us guys carry a folder in our pockets around the clock, like most guys should.

00:38:49.033 –> 00:38:52.553
What, what would you get? What advice would you give for someone starting out

00:38:52.553 –> 00:38:55.893
now? I know you make knives, but what’s a good option for someone?

00:38:56.093 –> 00:39:01.253
Should they really rely on a folder? Should they carry a fixed if they think they want to?

00:39:02.375 –> 00:39:05.715
What what’s a good place to start yeah i’m sure you are.

00:39:08.195 –> 00:39:11.475
I’m a little biased in that regard you don’t have any folders do you,

00:39:13.115 –> 00:39:20.835
no i do not i i am not a very big supporter of folding knives because just like

00:39:20.835 –> 00:39:27.055
in any anything there’s gross motor skills fine motor skills yeah that’s an

00:39:27.055 –> 00:39:27.935
excellent point too too.

00:39:28.575 –> 00:39:31.535
And folders require some fine motor skill.

00:39:32.155 –> 00:39:35.835
Yeah. Just like holding your knife tip up. That is something that is taught.

00:39:36.075 –> 00:39:42.035
Yeah. It is not something that is hereditary because like, even as infants,

00:39:42.075 –> 00:39:46.355
we, we will grasp something and it’ll be tipped down no matter what it is.

00:39:46.735 –> 00:39:52.275
Cause that is the most natural. That is what our DNA dictates.

00:39:52.315 –> 00:39:55.735
That’s what our programming is on that level.

00:39:56.155 –> 00:39:59.275
So being, more towards a

00:39:59.275 –> 00:40:03.055
fifth blade gross motor skill yeah easy

00:40:03.055 –> 00:40:05.895
to deploy and that’s an excellent point because i’ve

00:40:05.895 –> 00:40:10.775
always heard or generally heard that fixed is the way to go but the point of

00:40:10.775 –> 00:40:14.355
you know remembering that when you’re under stress and you’ve got that heart

00:40:14.355 –> 00:40:20.135
rate go up and that adrenaline dump out you’ve got tunnel vision you have auditory

00:40:20.135 –> 00:40:23.755
exclusion and your fine motor skills go out the window,

00:40:23.915 –> 00:40:28.175
so you’re not going to be able to get that little thumb knot on that nice little

00:40:28.175 –> 00:40:29.675
folder you’ve got in your pocket.

00:40:30.635 –> 00:40:34.435
That’s a good point for fixed in the first place. Yeah.

00:40:34.575 –> 00:40:38.155
Even then, if you have like the Emerson Wave type of kind of thing where you

00:40:38.155 –> 00:40:41.775
can pull it and it automatically deploys, you still have that ratchet.

00:40:42.275 –> 00:40:46.835
That thing can fail. That’s one of my biggest reasons why I hate CO copy knife,

00:40:46.975 –> 00:40:51.815
because that ratchet will fail, but that’s also a big reason why a lot of those gangsters.

00:40:52.832 –> 00:40:55.972
Would have it edge in and tip down so they’re relying

00:40:55.972 –> 00:40:59.172
on that gross motor skill being tipped

00:40:59.172 –> 00:41:02.412
down being able to do the hammer fist type motion stuff like

00:41:02.412 –> 00:41:08.092
that yeah and if that blade fails when you stick something it’s gonna crank

00:41:08.092 –> 00:41:13.392
basically you’re gonna be going from having a straight piece to suddenly like

00:41:13.392 –> 00:41:18.492
a 90 degree angle or something like that it’s gonna bend away from you if that

00:41:18.492 –> 00:41:20.652
locking mechanism fails.

00:41:20.752 –> 00:41:24.892
Yep, fold back on you, and then you’ve done yourself some damage. Yeah.

00:41:25.492 –> 00:41:33.012
I mean, having it go its way, I mean, you’re going to have a deal with,

00:41:33.072 –> 00:41:37.112
you know, oh, crap, I just cut myself instead, and my knife doesn’t work anymore.

00:41:37.572 –> 00:41:41.552
So folders, I don’t prescribe to them at all.

00:41:41.872 –> 00:41:47.752
Fair enough. I will stick with my fixed blades because it’s instant ready to go.

00:41:48.232 –> 00:41:54.612
And the second it’s out of sheath, it’s in action. Yeah. It doesn’t matter if it’s edge in, edge out.

00:41:55.032 –> 00:41:58.452
It doesn’t matter. And you don’t have to think about cutting your fingers so

00:41:58.452 –> 00:42:01.132
much, at least with it collapsing back on you anyway.

00:42:02.032 –> 00:42:05.252
Yeah. And if it cuts your fingers, it means you didn’t grab your handle tight

00:42:05.252 –> 00:42:07.692
enough. Right. Kind of having that thought, too.

00:42:09.352 –> 00:42:14.152
You deploy things with all that adrenaline, everything going on,

00:42:14.252 –> 00:42:17.012
and the fine motor skill goes out the window.

00:42:17.272 –> 00:42:23.792
Yeah. I know you can cut somebody a bunch, but they’re going to still be whatever

00:42:23.792 –> 00:42:28.952
percentage combat effective against you if you’re having to use your knife to defend yourself.

00:42:29.232 –> 00:42:33.432
Still takes, even if you got them good, it still takes several minutes for them to bleed out.

00:42:33.832 –> 00:42:38.472
Yeah. And that’s why if you’re going in, just stab.

00:42:39.652 –> 00:42:44.132
Because what I’ve seen and learned from other things like Libre,

00:42:44.212 –> 00:42:47.252
Kali, and stuff like that, they like to cut their arteries,

00:42:47.432 –> 00:42:54.832
cut tendons, do a lot of ripping motions, and target non-primary organs.

00:42:55.172 –> 00:42:59.252
I mean, you’ll go for kidney, liver, eyes, and stuff like that, too.

00:42:59.632 –> 00:43:04.272
Which is all fine and dandy. I absolutely think it’s great. If it works for

00:43:04.272 –> 00:43:05.432
you, then absolutely do it.

00:43:07.146 –> 00:43:11.226
With Piper, that I’ve learned, we have one target, and it’s the heart.

00:43:11.886 –> 00:43:15.666
Everything else is tertiary when it comes to an engagement.

00:43:16.046 –> 00:43:21.266
Yeah. While it’s finding the… If you stop the motor an inch or two right below

00:43:21.266 –> 00:43:25.606
the left nipple or right into the side.

00:43:26.126 –> 00:43:29.366
Yeah. You go between the fourth and fifth intercostal space,

00:43:29.686 –> 00:43:31.146
leads you right to the heart.

00:43:31.286 –> 00:43:36.006
There you go. Or you stab straight in into there or right above the clavicle

00:43:36.006 –> 00:43:40.366
or below the clavicle into subclavian artery.

00:43:40.786 –> 00:43:46.046
Sure. Causes very rapid exsanguination. Yeah.

00:43:46.786 –> 00:43:51.506
That massive trauma. And it decreases that. Yep. And it decreases that time.

00:43:52.026 –> 00:43:56.546
You have to wait for your threat to not be a threat. Right.

00:43:57.146 –> 00:44:00.926
So, you know, it’s like firearm training, martial arts, whatever.

00:44:00.926 –> 00:44:04.846
It’s about finding the school you’re most comfortable with and philosophies

00:44:04.846 –> 00:44:09.666
or approaches that, you know, set the light bulbs off to you or resonate with

00:44:09.666 –> 00:44:11.406
you and what you’re trying to do.

00:44:11.706 –> 00:44:16.166
Just in thinking about wrapping things up here, what would be at this point?

00:44:16.246 –> 00:44:19.226
We’ve talked about a lot of different things. What would be your number one

00:44:19.226 –> 00:44:23.666
pointer for someone considering having or and or more importantly,

00:44:23.706 –> 00:44:26.506
using a blade for self-defense? Would you say?

00:44:26.906 –> 00:44:30.786
Be prepared to use it. I think that’s like one of the biggest things right there.

00:44:30.926 –> 00:44:35.106
Because if you’re not prepared to use what you have to defend yourself or defend

00:44:35.106 –> 00:44:37.146
those around you, don’t carry it.

00:44:37.646 –> 00:44:43.546
If you don’t feel comfortable with applying that level of force to preserve

00:44:43.546 –> 00:44:45.006
yourself or someone else.

00:44:46.072 –> 00:44:53.672
Don’t don’t step into that into that ring don’t do many people have is when

00:44:53.672 –> 00:44:59.192
like yeah i i can i’ll carry a gun with me and people leave me alone no that’s not the case at all,

00:44:59.832 –> 00:45:04.992
so i mean having having the tool and not having the willingness to use that tool will get you,

00:45:05.752 –> 00:45:11.392
hurt or killed yeah i think that’s a another excellent point you’ve made no

00:45:11.392 –> 00:45:18.472
know the legal ramifications and know whether or not you’re going to be willing to use it.

00:45:18.512 –> 00:45:21.352
Cause if you’re not, you don’t need to be doing it in the first place.

00:45:21.352 –> 00:45:25.392
And you know, those are two common, not only have a great pieces of advice for,

00:45:25.492 –> 00:45:27.472
you know, knife handling,

00:45:27.612 –> 00:45:32.352
but it’s the two things that are definitely in common with the firearms world

00:45:32.352 –> 00:45:34.472
as well. So that’s good stuff.

00:45:34.712 –> 00:45:37.872
How can they find you if they want to know more about silver line?

00:45:37.872 –> 00:45:40.752
Because i’ve got one of your mongooses i

00:45:40.752 –> 00:45:44.152
still my favorite fixed blade i love that thing a

00:45:44.152 –> 00:45:46.932
little strobbing i did with it and it’s i’ve cut myself

00:45:46.932 –> 00:45:50.332
more than once it’s sharp it’s good stuff where can

00:45:50.332 –> 00:45:56.052
they find you yeah it was it’s funny now it wasn’t time it wasn’t at the time

00:45:56.052 –> 00:46:01.572
i did it oh don’t feel too bad i’ve cut myself more than i care to mention with

00:46:01.572 –> 00:46:05.232
my knives i mean other than an occupational hazard but just even in training

00:46:05.232 –> 00:46:10.132
how to use my weapon yeah a tool I call it a tool.

00:46:11.612 –> 00:46:17.632
You guys can actually find me on Silverline underscore knife underscore designs on Instagram.

00:46:18.332 –> 00:46:22.032
Or you can just type up Silverline Knife Designs on Facebook and you can find

00:46:22.032 –> 00:46:25.252
me on there. I have a users and collectors page on there as well.

00:46:25.852 –> 00:46:30.872
When it comes to getting a specific model, you’ve got to let me know.

00:46:31.052 –> 00:46:33.632
If you want something custom, we can talk about it.

00:46:33.992 –> 00:46:39.992
I have quite a few knives right now that are in various stages of being complete.

00:46:39.992 –> 00:46:49.232
And my prices kind of are kind of fixed right now and i’m not going to lower my price but i’m not.

00:46:50.332 –> 00:46:55.172
Extravagantly expensive i’m i like to say that i’m very affordable i think based

00:46:55.172 –> 00:46:58.612
on a lot of the custom blades that are out there on the market your price is

00:46:58.612 –> 00:47:04.452
very reasonable for for what you’re getting i’ll say that yeah i was just gonna

00:47:04.452 –> 00:47:08.552
say yeah i i i try to make a good good knife,

00:47:09.232 –> 00:47:11.072
for, you know, the common folk.

00:47:11.732 –> 00:47:17.732
Yep. If it costs over $300, you’re not going to use it as often, right?

00:47:17.852 –> 00:47:21.812
And I like to have my knives in people’s hands that will use them.

00:47:22.052 –> 00:47:28.752
Well, if you’re like me, I’m afraid to use and mess up anything super expensive.

00:47:28.872 –> 00:47:32.512
So a knife I like to use. So it’s great.

00:47:33.092 –> 00:47:36.812
So Nathan, this has been great. I appreciate your time. Thanks for coming on.

00:47:36.812 –> 00:47:40.692
Hopefully, people can make a decision for themselves whether or not a blade

00:47:40.692 –> 00:47:44.392
is something they want to consider in their self-defense tool arsenal,

00:47:44.752 –> 00:47:47.772
whether or not they think it’s something they can do or are prepared to do.

00:47:48.132 –> 00:47:51.232
But I think we’ve had a good talk, and I appreciate you coming on here.

00:47:53.172 –> 00:47:58.332
Yeah, thank you again for having me on. I really, really appreciated it,

00:47:58.412 –> 00:48:02.272
and I’m glad that I was able to answer some questions that you had.

00:48:02.272 –> 00:48:09.552
And hopefully more folks will approach either you or myself for any further

00:48:09.552 –> 00:48:10.592
questions that they may have.

00:48:10.772 –> 00:48:17.832
I mean, we touched on quite a few topics here. So I’m always one for going more

00:48:17.832 –> 00:48:20.452
in-depth with folks if they really want a more in-depth answer.

00:48:21.272 –> 00:48:27.512
I’m available pretty much 24-7. I tend to work 20-hour days when I’m in my shop anyway.

00:48:27.692 –> 00:48:30.252
So you guys can always reach me at any time.

00:48:30.852 –> 00:48:35.792
Well this has been great you guys uh thanks so much nathan and be sure to check

00:48:35.792 –> 00:48:38.232
out silver line knife designs thanks so much.

00:48:38.800 –> 00:48:57.813
Music.