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Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Self-Initiative Project Podcast.

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I’m your host, Jim O’Brien. Episode five, we welcome Sergeant Deborah Kalish,

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Community Relations Manager with the Johns Creek Police Department.

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Deborah’s company, New U Defense, has a self-defense program geared towards

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women and young ladies called READY.

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And READY actually stands for Recognizing, Empowering, and Defending Yourselves.

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And I think that’s great. Great.

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Debbie has some fantastic information about tools and tactics that women and

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young ladies can use should they ever find themselves in a situation where they’re

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needing to defend themselves,

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including how to carry themselves and what to look for in their day-to-day lives

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so as to help them avoid those types of situations to begin with. Hi, Debbie. How are you?

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Hey, how are you? I’m great. I’m good. I’m so glad you came on today.

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Thanks for being with us.

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I’m excited. Thanks for having me. Yeah. This is a great opportunity to talk to everybody.

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Yeah, thanks for coming on and thanks for our listeners for listening in.

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So we want to talk about Your Program Ready and all the aspects of that and

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women’s self-defense in general.

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Yes. So before we get started and do the deep dive, why don’t you tell us a

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little bit about yourself, who you are, what you do, what your experience is,

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and why this is important to you.

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Okay. Well, I am…

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Police officer. I’ve been doing this now for almost 24 years.

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In December, I should be going on 24 years. And I started off my career working

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at the Fulton County Police Department.

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I was a parole officer for several years.

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I went down and worked narcotics for a while as a detective.

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Then I switched over and went as a general detective and ended up specializing

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in crime against women and children at our major case division.

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And then when my kids were young, I had an opportunity to move over to the school

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and do the school policing for a little while.

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And that kind of put me more into the community phase and teaching these kind

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of classes and coming up with things for the students.

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So I went there and I worked there for a few years and kind of put me up in

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the Johns Creek area. So when the city of Johns Creek came about,

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they asked me if I wanted to come over and run their community services unit for them.

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So basically what I do now for my job is all these kind of classes,

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women and teen self-defense classes and any kind of community relations,

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kids safety classes, all that good stuff with the city. Cool.

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So you’re kind of the forward face of the department.

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Yeah, we do a lot of things.

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Anything out in the community, we run our social media and all that good stuff with it.

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It’s a great city to work for. Absolutely love being there.

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And I have an opportunity to get in front of a lot of people and teach them

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what I feel is some really important things.

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Okay, so I have to ask before we move on. So I did my research ahead of time

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and I saw that you were an MP.

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Explain that. How’d you wind up doing that?

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So, I started off, I wanted to be a cop since I was about in seventh grade.

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And when I was in high school, I decided, I’m not exactly sure where it came

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from, but I decided I was going to go into the Army National Guard.

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And I joined the Army National Guard at 17 and went to basic training in between

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my junior and senior year in high school. and came back, graduated high school,

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and went back for the AIC military police part of it.

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And I spent 10 years in the Army National Guard. And it was great.

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So what made you want to be a police officer in the first place?

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You said you joined up the Army National Guard at 17. What made you want to be a police officer?

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I had older friends that were officers in the town I grew up in,

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and I just thought it was the coolest thing ever.

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You know, they got to drive fast and help people and all the good stuff that

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goes with it. I mean, as a kid, that’s what you see.

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You know, ultimately, it comes down to wanting to be able to help people and

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really make a difference in somebody’s life.

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Absolutely. I understand completely.

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So let’s talk about your company and what you’re doing with women and teen,

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young girls, self-defense classes and learning the ropes there.

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Your company is New You Defense, U as in the letter U.

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No reason to try to spell that out. And your program that you’ve just recently

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renamed is READY, R-E-A-D-Y, Recognizing, Empowering, and Defending Yourself.

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Yes. So I started New Year’s Defense because teaching at the police department,

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I teach these classes all the time.

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And I had so many people asking for, we just, we can’t teach enough of them.

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So I decided to go out and start the company.

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And like you said, I just recently named the program.

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I just used to call it Women in Teen Safety and Self-Defense.

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And I wanted to give it more of an identity.

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So me and one of the women that I work with sat down one day and we were trying

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to look at the program and what it does and what it stands for.

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And we came up with the name Ready, recognizing, empowering,

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and defending yourself.

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So it is like recognizing, recognizing intentions without denial, empowering.

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So empowering yourself with the knowledge and the tools to handle a crisis.

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And always listening to your instincts and knowing your surroundings,

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defending, being able to defend against those who want to do harm to you,

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and then yourself, you are the most important person and take care of you.

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And that, to me, was important, too, because a lot of women.

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Particularly, forget to take care of themselves.

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Yeah yeah i think that empowering peace

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and reminding everyone anyone

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for that matter to listen to their gut and their instincts is

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is important absolutely okay so

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i know we were talking earlier in preparation to this

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podcast and we were talking

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about the fact that i think so oftentimes people think it’s

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going to be some masked you know black ski mask

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mask guy in a a leather jacket and black pants and black

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boots jumping out from behind the bushes or nabbing

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you in the parking lot downtown and you know

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that’s completely possible but more than likely 90%

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of the time it’s going to be someone closer to you especially when

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it comes to women it’s going to be someone you know either family

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relative or an acquaintance can

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you talk about that well yeah when it

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comes to especially when you’re looking at rates and stuff like

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that date race is absolutely a horrible

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problem with women when

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you’re looking at especially college age students

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and and dealing with that kind of stuff but it’s not just you know like you

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said it’s not just the person who’s going to jump out of the bushes at you it

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is somebody and you might not even know them but somebody that you’re going

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to allow to get too close to you that is going to be

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able to take advantage of you and hurt you because you allow them to get too close.

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Yeah. I was reading the other day that to your point that I,

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the, the highest at risk group of women is somewhere between the ages of 18 and 24.

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Does that sound about right? Yeah, there you go. Right in the middle of going to college.

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You know, I personally knew two women that were, they raped in college.

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And I don’t think we do enough to prepare our girls growing up for how to protect

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themselves and what to do.

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And, you know, kind of reiterating over and over again how not to put yourself

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in a bad position or make yourself more vulnerable to these kinds of issues.

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Yeah, make a really good point, because I think college and I was thinking about

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this again, getting ready for today.

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And that, you know, I think college puts us all, if we go to college,

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right smack dab into an environment where situations that we wouldn’t otherwise

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give a second thought to or may not even know to give any thought to,

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we’re putting ourselves in those situations more than we really should.

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And it’s not ironically until we get out of college and grow up and learn some

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things that those situations are some of the very situations we should have avoided,

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like the frat parties and drinking to excess and not paying attention to our

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drinks and who’s giving them to us and all of those sorts of things.

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Right. You know, and I did it myself when I was in high school and I,

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I came very close to being raped by putting myself in a position that I shouldn’t

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have done. And I wasn’t even thinking about it.

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And yes, I was drinking and I had gone to a party.

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And the way it was, the party was down in the basement and it was kind of detached from the house area.

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And I had gone up into the house, used the restroom by myself.

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And there were people in the house when I had gone in there.

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And when I came out of the restroom, just the guy who lived there at the house was in there.

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And he decided at that time, he was going to take me into the bedroom.

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And, you know, I think about it to this day, how lucky I was through the grace of God that I mean,

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between literally fighting with him to the point where he was trying to drag

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me into the bedroom and I fell against the doorframe and my arm was bruised and,

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you know, trying to talk him out of it. And, you know, I got out of it.

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But I should have never been in that position in the first place.

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I should have never gone up by myself.

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You know, I tell all the girls in my classes, when you get in college and you’re

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doing this stuff, you stay together.

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Always, always, always stay together. You know, just don’t give somebody the

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opportunity to take advantage of you.

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And don’t get me wrong. It is never, ever the victim’s fault.

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It is never the victim’s fault. But there are things that we can do to try to

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prevent from putting ourselves in a vulnerable position that we can become a victim. them.

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Yeah. And I mean, that’s a great point. It’s, it’s not the victim’s fault ever.

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And, you know, you don’t know what you don’t know because you don’t think about

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having to worry about things like that.

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And your parents didn’t necessarily teach you or tell you, Hey,

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these are the sorts of things you need to be on the lookout for.

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And if they did, you may not have even been able to understand what they were

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talking about having not experienced it before.

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So, you know, The good news is that

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nothing bad happened in that situation beyond what did happen and that now there’s

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an opportunity to get information and have programs like this and yours out

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there for people to get information from and be able to do something about it

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to defend themselves if they find themselves in those situations. And that’s a good thing.

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Absolutely. And that might be part of the reason why I’m so passionate about

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teaching, you know, girls how to protect themselves and more importantly,

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recognize dangerous situations and avoid them.

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Yeah. You know, now that you’ve brought that up, I had this plan run down this bullet list.

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It’s your bullet list, but that makes me want to jump around.

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And, you know, you’ve got this in your program, you’ve got this section called

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what you don’t know can hurt you.

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And one of your top points is and one of the top points that I’m always talking

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about is situational awareness and paying attention to your surroundings.

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And it’s got everything to do with how you carry yourself to not just go and

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avoiding the dark alleys and not going down the dark alleys, but knowing,

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you know, the parties that you

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may not want to be going to when you’re in college and things like that.

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So let’s talk about this for a minute.

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What you don’t know can hurt you.

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Absolutely. You know, criminals are always assessing their victims’ vulnerability.

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And you got to see, when you look at criminals, they don’t want to get caught.

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So it’s almost like a scale where they’re weighing their options.

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You know, is this person paying attention to me? Do they know what’s going on around them?

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Did they see me? And so many times, especially today, with people on their cell

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phones and they’re not paying attention.

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And I’ve read a lot of stuff on, you know, people were specifically picked because

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they were on their cell phones. But they have no idea what’s going on around them.

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You know, there have been studies done over the years where they videotaped

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people walking down the road and taking this video into the prison to show criminals,

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like, pick your victims.

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And they all pick the same people.

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And it has nothing to do with your sex necessarily and your race,

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how tall or short you are, what you’re wearing.

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It really has to do with the way somebody pays attention to their surroundings.

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There’s some key factors here.

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It’s your surroundings, it’s the way you walk, and eye contact.

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And those things and listening to your instincts I have four main parts that

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will keep you safe. Yeah.

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People sometimes don’t understand when we’ll talk about it, but even if you’re

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not alert, just looking like you’re alert and how you carry yourself can mean

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the difference between whether or not you’re chosen as a victim or potential victim or not.

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Absolutely. Your walk is so important and it’s a very hard thing to change.

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People, you know, If you just look at people and you study and watch them,

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people have their own flow, their own walk in the way they do it.

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And if you shuffle your feet or you’re kind of uneven, you’re more apt to be chosen as a victim.

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So what I tell my women and teens is what you have to do is,

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one, you got to pretend like you know what you’re doing and you have a purpose.

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So walk with confidence. Walk with a purpose. I completely agree.

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So put your shoulders back, put your head, make eye contact with people.

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And I’m not saying that you have to stare at them or, you know,

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it’s just, you look at that, you let them know that you saw them and you keep on going.

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And the more you can do this, the better off you will be.

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And, you know, actually, even if you’re faking it is, It’s not,

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it’s one of those things where if you fake it enough, people are going to start

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to treat you like you’re more confident and then you become more confident. Absolutely.

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So it is really about those four things, listening to your instincts,

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knowing what’s going on around you.

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Your instincts are everything.

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And, you know, from the time we are born, we are learning how to read body language

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and people just don’t understand it.

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So when the hair on the back of their neck is standing up or they got that gut

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feeling something’s wrong,

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they’re like, oh, you know, I don’t want him to think that I’m judging him or

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I’m thinking badly about him or, you know, I say him because typically it is a him.

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People don’t want to think like they’re judging people.

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People so they kind of go into

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denial about what they’re seeing and what

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they’re feeling and they ignore their instincts

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and they’ll walk right into danger ignoring your instincts

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so when you look at animals and

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the way they react to danger and we are the

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only animals on this planet that really ignore

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our instincts and we’ll walk right into danger they ignore

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all the the signals even though they’re right there and i was

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listening to something a few weeks ago that you know

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was talking about that very thing where the victim said well i

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i just knew it i just knew it and the person that

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was interviewing him said yeah but you did it anyway you know

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i think that’s such an important thing is not to ignore those those little gut

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tingly spidey senses as you call them no absolutely you can’t and denial i talk

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about denial in the program it’s it’s kind of a a big piece of it about how

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we as human beings will go into denial.

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It’s what we want to believe because you don’t want to believe that something bad is about to happen.

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It’s our natural instinct to think, oh, no, no, no, that’s not right.

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You know, you don’t want to go there. For instance,

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if you look at different things where people were in a situation or there was

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a shooting and people say, you know, I thought it was fireworks.

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And when you go back and you listen to it and they knew it was not fireworks,

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they’re just going into denial because your brain has a hard time accepting

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something bad is about to happen.

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What are you going to do to kind of fight that denial? One, the quicker you

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get out of it, get on to, okay, recognizing what’s going on right in front of

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you, the better off you’re going to be.

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So with denial comes the stress response that the body has.

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And everything that happens to your body under stress, as soon as your heart

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rate goes up, your ability to think goes down. And that’s just a proven fact.

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It happens to you. It happens to me.

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You know, even after almost 24 years in law enforcement, if I get in a situation

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where my adrenaline goes up, my stress level goes up, things happen.

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So, you know, you’re looking at most people under their average,

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you would say between what, 70, 80 beats per minute is their normal heart rate.

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The higher you go up, your abilities start diminishing.

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So when you get to about 120 beats per minute that’s probably your range of heart rate where.

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You’re going to do your best on fighting off somebody

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that’s kind of the area where people said oh i’ve got got that superhuman strength

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but when you start getting up into you know the high 160s into 170s your body

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can just shut down and freeze i mean you might even lose control of your bowels at that point.

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So there’s things that you have to try to do to bring down your heart rate and

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get control over the stress on your body at that moment.

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And one of the things that we teach is how to combat breathe.

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And combat breathing is one of those things where if you take a deep breath

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in and you hold it, you say one, two,

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three, four, you know, you count to four and then you let it out and you count

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to four again and you breathe in.

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And if you can do that a couple of times, it will actually bring your heart

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rate down between 20 and 30 beats per minute, which will give you the ability

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to think better and make a good decision.

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I’m so glad you’re talking about how to combat those things,

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because the one thing that kind of is frustrating to me, you know,

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we talk about that when your body experiences stress and you have that dump of adrenaline,

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you know, you don’t know how to do it. And that’s when the whole fight or flight thing occurs.

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Right. But they talk about auditory exclusion where you can’t hear you develop tunnel vision.

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You lose. You lose your fine motor skills, which means it’s important that you’re

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not depending on finger movement. You’re, you know, you’re going to need to

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know how to use more gross motor skills, larger movements.

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But the other thing that I read some time ago, and I haven’t had anybody confirm

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or deny it, is that in addition to the auditory exclusion, the tunnel vision

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and the fine motor skill loss,

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I read somewhere where it said the average person’s IQ in that scenario actually drops down to 70.

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Now, that’s the first time I’d read that, and I forget where I saw that,

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but actually IQ changes and it drops.

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So, you know, the point that I was trying to make is that in training,

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it’s very difficult to initiate those things in training, right?

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Something really bad would actually have to be happening to you for you to experience

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that level, you know, to be able to experience those sorts of things.

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But I think to your point, the good news is, is that we can train how to combat

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them and obviously one being breathing. So I’m glad you touched on that.

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Okay. So, yeah, what happens to your body and the auditory exclusion?

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You know, I’ve gone through all these in my career as a police officer.

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I’ve had auditory exclusion where I didn’t hear radio talking to me and saying

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that they were sending somebody when I said I need another officer.

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I’ve had tunnel vision where all of a sudden I saw the gun and it was like,

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oh, look, there’s the gun. and you don’t see, and for an officer,

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it can be very dangerous because you don’t see the other things that are around the sides of you.

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This happens to officers over and over and over again.

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If you look at Lieutenant Colonel Grossman, his research on the stress and what happens to officers,

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will typically train and train and train and train to try to ward off what happens

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to your body under stress, and it still happens.

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So what we can do, and the only thing we can do, is train.

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And you have to be able to look back on something, because one of the ways to

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kind of combat it, other than your breathing, is…

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To look and say, okay, I need to do some mental scripting.

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And that would be having a plan and kind of running through scenarios in your

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brain, what you’re going to do if this happens.

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So for instance, when I was on the street as an officer and I would just let’s

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say I’ll drive up to the corner and I’d be at red light and I would look to

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the side and if there’s a convenience store, I said,

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what would I do if the convenience store was being robbed right now?

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How am I going to react? And I would mentally script what I would do and how to respond.

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Because it’s great when you get the 911 call and you got your little checklist

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in your head that was going off like, I’m going to go here, I’m going to do

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this, I’ve got this, check, check, check, check.

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But when it happens to you right in front of you, it’s different.

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It’s different for everybody. So you have to kind of mentally script.

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Fritz, okay, if I’m sitting on my couch in my living room and somebody kicks

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in the door, the back door, the front door, what am I going to do?

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It’s so funny. Yeah, no, I was just going to say, it’s so funny that you bring

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that one up because I do that probably not as much.

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I don’t run through those mental scenarios, like you say, as probably as much

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as I should, but I do think through those and I think, okay,

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I’m sitting in my leather chair with my feet on my ottoman watching a movie

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and someone kicks in my front door. or what am I going to do?

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So, yeah, I know it seems weird, but if you think about these things ahead of

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time, you will help yourself out tremendously when it comes to a real situation,

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because you’re not trying to figure out what to do under a crisis.

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You know, I tell people about, it’s the same thing.

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It’s, you know, if you’re going to carry a weapon, even pepper spray, You need to have two,

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you take one and you go practice and you learn how it works,

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you learn how to unlock it, you see how far away you have to be,

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you practice, all that stuff.

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So, when it’s under a crisis situation, the very first time you’re not trying

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to figure out how to unlock your pepper spray is when you’re shaking so bad

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that you’re going to end up spraying yourself in the face with it. Or dropping it.

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Or dropping it, yes. So, the time to figure these things out,

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hopefully, would be in a non-crisis situation.

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And you don’t have to harp on it. It’s not like one of those things that you

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have to walk around being paranoid about. You really don’t.

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Because the chances of something like that happening to you are rare.

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But if you just take a moment to look around and think, well,

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what if this happens? That’s what I would do.

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Mental scripting is a very powerful tool, and it helps you prepare for things.

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Yeah, and it’s so important because that all comes down to the planning.

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You know, in the self-defense community, it’s impossible to train for every

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possible scenario that could occur, right?

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Because most of self-defense is, sure, you’ll talk about situations and scenarios,

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but it’s mostly focused on the techniques to use to plan to get away, right?

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But there’s no way to train for all those things.

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So by thinking about those scenarios and scripting for yourself what you would

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do or the options that you would have available to you to do is so important

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because if you can’t train,

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then the planning and kind of getting a mental plan in place is the next most

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important best piece to do.

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And really, that’s all you have. I mean, you can’t set up training where you’re

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going to have somebody go in and attack you just randomly.

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That isn’t really holistic.

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Yeah. You know, I tried to put some pressure on the women at the end of the

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class and I make them close their eyes and I’ll walk around and I’ll hit the

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bag. So it makes the noise and you can see them jump.

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And I’m intentionally trying to make their heart rate go up a little bit.

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And as they’re doing this, I’m saying, OK, we taught you how to do some stuff,

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a couple moves, basic moves, because I’m not getting into any kind of crazy

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stuff. up, you’re not going to remember it.

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Basic gross motor skill moves. And I say, think about how you’re planning your head.

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What are you going to do? So when I tap them on the shoulder,

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they’ve got a plan in their head, how to react.

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Sure. And that’s, that’s what I want them to do. I want to put a little bit of pressure on them.

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I want them to have that plan. I said, all right, think about three new,

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three things you’re going to do when I tap you on the shoulder,

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I tap them on the shoulder and they jump and go to it.

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Go to it. But you got to have, I’m hoping, you know, I only teach them five things.

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That’s not the main part of the class. The main part of the class is about learning

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how to get out of denial and listening to your instincts and all those types of things.

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They’re going to be lucky if

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they remember maybe three or two or three of the moves that I teach them.

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That’s why I don’t get into any of the crazy stuff, because without practicing

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it all the time, you’re not going to remember.

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Yeah, I think that’s and again, I keep saying this because I’m sure we’re going

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to have a lot of good points today.

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But, you know, that’s a really great point. The irony of self-defense is,

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is everyone gets caught up in the techniques because that’s the fun and exciting

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and cool stuff. But just as important, if not more important,

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is just getting your students to think.

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Right. If you can send them away thinking about stuff or maybe maybe they’ve

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been encouraged to go seek out additional

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training so they can become more proficient at the physical stuff.

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But just getting them to think and think about scenarios and think about how

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they would react, that’s as if not more important than the actual physical stuff anyway.

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Absolutely. Especially when you’ve got a limited time to teach them in a two-hour seminar, right?

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Absolutely. The whole thing on, if you can do the things that I talk about in

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the beginning of the class, you probably will never even get in a situation

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where you had to use the other stuff.

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So being able to think and recognize, you know,

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Recognizing what is going on around you and recognizing somebody’s intentions.

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And that’s the first part. You know, when I said, are you ready?

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It’s recognizing intentions without denial.

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So being able to know what’s going on and not going into denial and being able

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to be prepared to react once you see it. Absolutely.

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So I want to talk about a couple of things that you say that you’ll,

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you teach and you learn about going through your ready training and they seem

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related to me. So I just want us to kind of deep dive on these.

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One is defensive mindset and then the self-defense preparedness and what,

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how you define those, what, what the separation is in those and,

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and what they are for you and what you teach.

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Okay. So, you know, your mindset is everything. Back to Lieutenant Colonel Grossman.

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He talks a lot about the warrior mindset.

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And it is so important to have that mindset. And this is what I tell people.

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When somebody comes to attack you, I want you to look at them.

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And instead of going, help me, help me, I want you to look at them and say,

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you’re about to have a bad day.

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I want your attitude to be like, you just picked the wrong person and it’s not

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going to be me. It’s going to be you.

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And it has to be because your mindset is everything.

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00:30:59,992 –> 00:31:05,852
Your mindset can keep you alive because if you’re fighting and at this point,

425
00:31:05,872 –> 00:31:07,792
let’s just say you’re fighting for your life.

426
00:31:08,252 –> 00:31:12,472
If you’re fighting for your life, if you give up, you’re done.

427
00:31:13,292 –> 00:31:19,092
You have to be, I am not going to lose. I’m going to, you know,

428
00:31:19,092 –> 00:31:21,092
basically what I see is a stun and run.

429
00:31:22,089 –> 00:31:24,769
I’m going to get free and I’m going to survive no matter what.

430
00:31:25,029 –> 00:31:27,309
Yeah. It’s, it’s the mindset. So key.

431
00:31:27,409 –> 00:31:31,109
You know, I don’t remember the first time I’ve heard it and I heard it years

432
00:31:31,109 –> 00:31:33,669
ago. And then since then I’ve seen it several times.

433
00:31:33,749 –> 00:31:37,649
I think there’s even a business or two named after it, but I heard it and I

434
00:31:37,649 –> 00:31:38,309
thought it was brilliant.

435
00:31:38,389 –> 00:31:42,369
You have to fight like the third monkey trying to get on the arc.

436
00:31:42,689 –> 00:31:50,149
And I think that’s, I have that slide in the presentation, right?

437
00:31:50,189 –> 00:31:51,569
Like you’re that third monkey.

438
00:31:51,669 –> 00:31:53,989
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

439
00:31:54,889 –> 00:31:59,009
And how does that tie into the self-defense preparedness?

440
00:31:59,409 –> 00:32:03,489
Like when I think of those things, I think of the mindset, I think about situational

441
00:32:03,489 –> 00:32:07,729
awareness and keeping my head on a swivel, carrying myself right,

442
00:32:07,989 –> 00:32:11,089
having those scenarios kind of pre-planned in my head.

443
00:32:11,089 –> 00:32:15,229
So if I am attacked or someone approaches me in a way where my spidey senses

444
00:32:15,229 –> 00:32:17,389
are going off, I’m ready to go.

445
00:32:17,509 –> 00:32:20,109
And then when it’s time to go, I go without hesitation.

446
00:32:20,969 –> 00:32:24,349
Is that what we’re talking about when you talk about self-defense preparedness?

447
00:32:25,629 –> 00:32:32,029
Absolutely. It’s the whole package. You know, knowing, recognizing,

448
00:32:32,429 –> 00:32:37,069
being able to either run and get out.

449
00:32:37,069 –> 00:32:41,049
Oh, because I’m never going to tell somebody to stand there and try to fight if you can leave.

450
00:32:41,429 –> 00:32:44,149
I mean, your whole goal is to get away.

451
00:32:45,109 –> 00:32:50,989
And, you know, I would never teach women or anybody else to stand there and

452
00:32:50,989 –> 00:32:53,389
try to go toe-to-toe with somebody. It’s done and run.

453
00:32:53,889 –> 00:32:57,869
So it’s the whole package of being ready and being prepared.

454
00:32:59,016 –> 00:33:03,116
Acknowledging, having that mindset that, you know, this is what I need to do.

455
00:33:03,396 –> 00:33:05,556
This is what I need to recognize.

456
00:33:06,236 –> 00:33:14,016
When you look at things like intention assessment and you’re looking at someone

457
00:33:14,016 –> 00:33:16,796
and you’re trying to figure out what their intentions are.

458
00:33:17,196 –> 00:33:22,036
You know, if you tell somebody to stop and they still come at you,

459
00:33:22,156 –> 00:33:25,496
you already know what their intentions are.

460
00:33:25,796 –> 00:33:28,396
So you need to be prepared at that point to react.

461
00:33:29,016 –> 00:33:31,316
Yeah. You know, something, something’s not right.

462
00:33:32,156 –> 00:33:38,276
So that’s a good point. And I know you mentioned this in some of your overview of your classes.

463
00:33:38,356 –> 00:33:41,736
I think that’s important for women, especially understand is,

464
00:33:41,816 –> 00:33:46,576
you know, it seems like, and even some men too, you know, it’s a polite society, right?

465
00:33:46,696 –> 00:33:50,176
We’ve, we’ve kind of gotten away from our visceral reactions and,

466
00:33:50,196 –> 00:33:52,236
you know, bare knuckle fighting and all of that.

467
00:33:52,276 –> 00:33:57,316
So we’ve moved into this overly nice, overly politically correct concern people

468
00:33:57,316 –> 00:34:01,956
will like us you know all those sorts of things and i think it’s hard for women

469
00:34:01,956 –> 00:34:07,396
to be prepared to respond in a less than friendly manner you know because they don’t want to be,

470
00:34:08,096 –> 00:34:13,336
viewed as dare i say the bitch right because that’s kind of how socially those

471
00:34:13,336 –> 00:34:18,116
things kind of wind up sometimes right but i think it’s okay that they know

472
00:34:18,116 –> 00:34:22,216
it’s okay in those scenarios where it’s no holds barred.

473
00:34:22,236 –> 00:34:23,716
It’s okay to respond that way,

474
00:34:23,756 –> 00:34:28,676
to yell if you need to and respond physically if it gets to that point.

475
00:34:29,756 –> 00:34:35,436
You’re correct, absolutely. So, you know, you can, and what you said before

476
00:34:35,436 –> 00:34:37,616
about what you don’t know can hurt you,

477
00:34:38,599 –> 00:34:45,379
And that point of letting somebody too close to you, being too nice to them, can hurt you.

478
00:34:45,799 –> 00:34:50,379
You know, you look at the bad guy that jumps out of the bushes.

479
00:34:50,479 –> 00:34:52,959
Well, that’s just kind of a bad situation.

480
00:34:53,099 –> 00:34:55,439
It’s very rare that something like that’s going to happen.

481
00:34:55,719 –> 00:35:01,839
But you can be walking, let’s just say walking on a trail, and somebody approaches you.

482
00:35:01,839 –> 00:35:05,399
And because you don’t want to be rude even though

483
00:35:05,399 –> 00:35:08,359
your your instincts are telling you something’s wrong and

484
00:35:08,359 –> 00:35:11,379
you don’t want to be rude you might have a conversation with them

485
00:35:11,379 –> 00:35:17,339
and they walk with you when in reality your your body’s telling you something’s

486
00:35:17,339 –> 00:35:22,419
wrong this person’s not right you should be getting out of there or telling

487
00:35:22,419 –> 00:35:27,339
them to go away yeah go pound sand pal yeah and you you don’t have to be nice

488
00:35:27,339 –> 00:35:30,799
about it and women you know we’re always taught to be nice.

489
00:35:31,859 –> 00:35:35,899
You don’t have to be nice when you’re feeling that way because ultimately we

490
00:35:35,899 –> 00:35:41,199
need to worry about ourselves and they don’t have the same kind of fear as a

491
00:35:41,199 –> 00:35:45,719
man you know when you look at a woman and them being afraid of what can happen

492
00:35:45,719 –> 00:35:47,559
to them they’re afraid they’re going to be raped or killed,

493
00:35:48,379 –> 00:35:53,859
it’s not the same for a man so a man needs to understand if they’re feeling

494
00:35:53,859 –> 00:35:58,959
uncomfortable and a woman tells you to go away you need to go away yeah and

495
00:35:58,959 –> 00:36:00,459
then the woman needs to be able to recognize,

496
00:36:00,619 –> 00:36:05,599
like I said, immediately that if they don’t, there’s something wrong you need to react,

497
00:36:05,819 –> 00:36:10,239
whether it be run or be prepared to fight, whatever it is.

498
00:36:10,399 –> 00:36:13,859
But you need to recognize their intentions immediately.

499
00:36:14,839 –> 00:36:20,399
And not ignore those instincts, that hair standing up on the back of the neck

500
00:36:20,399 –> 00:36:23,319
or the spidey tingling senses, whatever it may be.

501
00:36:23,879 –> 00:36:30,139
No, don’t ignore it. When you You look at, you know, convicted sex offenders

502
00:36:30,139 –> 00:36:36,879
and they they’ve talked about picking their victims and all that kind of stuff.

503
00:36:36,999 –> 00:36:42,079
And some of the things that they had said was the way they’re trying to pick

504
00:36:42,079 –> 00:36:47,639
their victims and by the vulnerability that they can see with them.

505
00:36:47,759 –> 00:36:55,319
You know, even Ted Bundy said he would rate the victim’s vulnerability by their facial expressions.

506
00:36:56,316 –> 00:37:00,616
So she watched and they watched. And believe it or not, you know,

507
00:37:00,636 –> 00:37:05,816
when they say that a woman is dressing provocatively and that she’s more apt

508
00:37:05,816 –> 00:37:08,156
to be raped, absolutely not true.

509
00:37:08,996 –> 00:37:14,776
So when you look back and you look at victims on rape, they’re looking for the

510
00:37:14,776 –> 00:37:15,936
more vulnerable person.

511
00:37:15,976 –> 00:37:20,396
And typically, the more vulnerable person is not going to be dressing more provocatively.

512
00:37:20,816 –> 00:37:23,936
Those people are usually more confident.

513
00:37:24,296 –> 00:37:28,256
Yeah. Because that’s They’re more confident to wear those kind of outfits.

514
00:37:28,356 –> 00:37:31,476
So, you know, again, it’s not on the victim what they’re doing.

515
00:37:32,476 –> 00:37:39,916
But that’s the whole concept that people tend to think is one way when it really isn’t.

516
00:37:40,116 –> 00:37:45,876
Because they’re looking for somebody who’s more insecure, somebody who is not

517
00:37:45,876 –> 00:37:48,836
as confident, not as likely to be able to fight back.

518
00:37:48,836 –> 00:37:54,296
Yeah, the predators have this scale kind of right that they use to determine,

519
00:37:54,416 –> 00:37:57,836
you know, how likely as a victim are you?

520
00:37:57,896 –> 00:38:00,316
Are you going to be a hard target or soft target?

521
00:38:00,656 –> 00:38:05,076
Hard target being someone you don’t want to mess with just by how they’re carrying

522
00:38:05,076 –> 00:38:08,096
themselves or the fact that they’re paying attention or maybe they’ve looked

523
00:38:08,096 –> 00:38:09,696
me in the eye and see that I’m,

524
00:38:09,696 –> 00:38:14,516
you know, watching them from a distance versus a soft target head down kind

525
00:38:14,516 –> 00:38:16,136
of turned into themselves,

526
00:38:16,236 –> 00:38:18,816
maybe on their smartphone, not looking at them.

527
00:38:18,836 –> 00:38:22,376
Up not paying attention those sorts of things absolutely yeah

528
00:38:22,376 –> 00:38:26,316
so the one convicted sex

529
00:38:26,316 –> 00:38:31,656
offender his name was brad morrison he had said if he had the the slightest

530
00:38:31,656 –> 00:38:36,556
inkling that a woman was someone he could handle then he would pass them by

531
00:38:36,556 –> 00:38:44,516
i mean that wasn’t somebody that he wanted to deal with and he raped over 75 women so,

532
00:38:45,376 –> 00:38:49,016
he was looking for somebody he thought he could control.

533
00:38:50,249 –> 00:38:55,829
Well, those situations are usually always about control, right?

534
00:38:55,949 –> 00:38:59,169
So you can’t control somebody that doesn’t look controllable.

535
00:38:59,289 –> 00:39:04,229
And that’s the first, kind of like meeting someone in the bar,

536
00:39:04,349 –> 00:39:06,709
if that’s where you’re likely to meet someone, right?

537
00:39:06,789 –> 00:39:09,909
You don’t look across the room and go, wow, they’re really smart and intelligent.

538
00:39:10,009 –> 00:39:13,049
You kind of size them up by physical

539
00:39:13,049 –> 00:39:16,929
appearance and how they carry themselves. And it’s the same thing.

540
00:39:17,629 –> 00:39:24,009
Yeah, it really is. And so, you know, certain things that you can do to reduce your risk.

541
00:39:24,389 –> 00:39:28,489
Again, going over like walking with confidence is key.

542
00:39:29,589 –> 00:39:33,889
Knowing your surroundings, paying attention to what’s around you.

543
00:39:34,769 –> 00:39:37,249
You know, don’t put yourself in a bad situation.

544
00:39:38,309 –> 00:39:41,529
Don’t make yourself an easy target.

545
00:39:42,709 –> 00:39:47,509
And just remembering that you don’t always have to be nice to people.

546
00:39:47,509 –> 00:39:49,289
And then you need to understand it.

547
00:39:49,949 –> 00:39:55,369
Absolutely. So I got a few questions here to wrap things up for us,

548
00:39:55,389 –> 00:39:57,029
put you on the spot maybe, hopefully not.

549
00:39:57,249 –> 00:40:00,749
What is your favorite go-to technique or technique?

550
00:40:00,869 –> 00:40:06,529
If you have three, so be it, but what’s your favorite to teach or that you think that’s most effective?

551
00:40:07,429 –> 00:40:10,809
Okay, so my favorite is an elbow strike.

552
00:40:11,369 –> 00:40:16,629
Yes. I love the elbow strike. I teach, especially with my little kids,

553
00:40:17,509 –> 00:40:21,509
I give them a special prize during our ragtag training at the police department

554
00:40:21,509 –> 00:40:24,349
if they can knock the helmet off one of the guys while they’re fighting him.

555
00:40:25,109 –> 00:40:26,769
It’s such a strong hit.

556
00:40:27,797 –> 00:40:32,337
Even for a little kid, and it hurts so bad when you get hit with it,

557
00:40:32,437 –> 00:40:34,757
I absolutely love the elbow strike.

558
00:40:34,837 –> 00:40:39,517
So if I can get them to remember that one, because you can do it forward or sideways or backwards.

559
00:40:40,277 –> 00:40:43,957
Another easy one for people is a hammer fist.

560
00:40:44,697 –> 00:40:50,777
I don’t teach a straight punch because a lot of people won’t hit the right way

561
00:40:50,777 –> 00:40:51,657
and they’re going to hurt themselves.

562
00:40:51,817 –> 00:40:52,697
They’re going to break their hand

563
00:40:52,697 –> 00:40:57,517
and they’re not going to be much use to themselves once they break their

564
00:40:57,597 –> 00:41:01,037
hands so if they make a fist and they’re

565
00:41:01,037 –> 00:41:04,137
able to use use their fists

566
00:41:04,137 –> 00:41:07,077
to hammer down you can hammer in the face you can

567
00:41:07,077 –> 00:41:11,817
use that again even if you’re on the ground you can still use a hammer fist

568
00:41:11,817 –> 00:41:17,297
so those are probably between that and then the knee strike those three are

569
00:41:17,297 –> 00:41:21,017
my top three favorite yeah i was gonna say if you like elbows you gotta like

570
00:41:21,017 –> 00:41:24,257
knees so now how do you how How do you,

571
00:41:24,257 –> 00:41:27,777
you know, because in fighting and self-defense,

572
00:41:27,997 –> 00:41:32,757
you know, knees and elbows are typically reserved for those close distances.

573
00:41:33,457 –> 00:41:37,717
You’ve got to be really close to the person for those to work super effectively.

574
00:41:38,637 –> 00:41:43,257
How do you deal with, you know, maybe not allowing, maybe not,

575
00:41:43,277 –> 00:41:45,437
of course, things have gotten bad if you’re that close.

576
00:41:45,517 –> 00:41:49,397
You know, you’re all up in my personal space at that point. What about distance?

577
00:41:50,177 –> 00:41:53,557
Well, if you can, obviously, you’re going to avoid distance.

578
00:41:54,697 –> 00:41:59,157
Distance is key about keeping your personal space away from somebody.

579
00:41:59,197 –> 00:42:03,057
Now, let’s go back to when I said intention assessment.

580
00:42:03,337 –> 00:42:07,937
So if you said someone told somebody to stay back and they’re coming towards

581
00:42:07,937 –> 00:42:10,817
you, are you going to back up? You should.

582
00:42:11,357 –> 00:42:15,217
Are you going to try to get out of there? You should. You’ve already told this

583
00:42:15,217 –> 00:42:19,237
person to stay back and they’re coming at you. you don’t need to let them get

584
00:42:19,237 –> 00:42:23,217
up on top of you if you can avoid it. But once they’re there, what are you going to do?

585
00:42:24,583 –> 00:42:29,603
Yeah. And I personally like my my face.

586
00:42:30,263 –> 00:42:34,203
That’s what the way we train. We like to have space around us because what’s

587
00:42:34,203 –> 00:42:35,923
going to hurt you? Yeah. Their hands.

588
00:42:36,463 –> 00:42:41,103
So if you can if you can stay back and give yourself some space,

589
00:42:41,243 –> 00:42:44,843
you know, and when one of the things where I said you tell them to stay back.

590
00:42:44,843 –> 00:42:47,923
And this is kind of an important point that I want to make.

591
00:42:48,423 –> 00:42:53,243
When women tell somebody no and they tell them to stay back,

592
00:42:53,483 –> 00:42:57,523
let’s just say they’re trying to help you or something and you get that creepy

593
00:42:57,523 –> 00:43:01,763
feeling from them and they’re not listening to you and they’re ignoring you.

594
00:43:01,983 –> 00:43:07,423
When you tell somebody no, I want you to wear off on them and I want you to

595
00:43:07,423 –> 00:43:09,743
tell them no like you mean it.

596
00:43:10,203 –> 00:43:16,363
It’s not going to be, oh, thank you. you know it is no get away from me i don’t

597
00:43:16,363 –> 00:43:19,383
care if you even have to swear at them that make them think that you’re a crazy

598
00:43:19,383 –> 00:43:23,743
woman whatever yeah that doesn’t matter but you need to tell them no,

599
00:43:24,563 –> 00:43:32,203
we’re off at them and let them know you mean it and that you’re not weak because

600
00:43:32,203 –> 00:43:35,963
at that point they’re they’re they’re coming at you and they’re invading the

601
00:43:35,963 –> 00:43:38,923
space yeah this is the time not to be nice.

602
00:43:38,983 –> 00:43:44,663
If you’re not going to be nice one time in your life, this is the time to not be nice. Be firm.

603
00:43:45,829 –> 00:43:49,869
So favorite technique, elbow, knees, and hammer fist.

604
00:43:50,429 –> 00:43:57,469
If you had to pick a tool for a woman to carry, and consideration of teens too,

605
00:43:57,649 –> 00:44:01,969
if you had to pick a tool, or is there a tool that you would recommend?

606
00:44:02,889 –> 00:44:07,869
Okay, so when I talk about weapons or having a tool of some sort,

607
00:44:08,149 –> 00:44:09,689
the main thing is training.

608
00:44:10,269 –> 00:44:12,549
No matter what you’re going to do, you’re going to have to train on.

609
00:44:12,549 –> 00:44:19,129
Whether it be pepper spray, a taser, or a gun, you have to train and know how to use it.

610
00:44:19,229 –> 00:44:24,949
So I kind of like the pepper spray because it’s a nasty, nasty beast.

611
00:44:25,469 –> 00:44:30,369
You know, you get hit with pepper spray in the eyes and it burns for about 45

612
00:44:30,369 –> 00:44:32,989
minutes. Now, it’s not going to work on everybody.

613
00:44:33,529 –> 00:44:38,889
There are some people out there that it doesn’t work on, but it does work pretty

614
00:44:38,889 –> 00:44:40,929
well. It’s easy to carry.

615
00:44:41,669 –> 00:44:45,269
Now, ladies, you got to have it in your hands, having it in the bottom of your

616
00:44:45,269 –> 00:44:49,689
purse with all the gum wrappers and everything stuck in it and not being able

617
00:44:49,689 –> 00:44:51,469
to get to it isn’t going to help.

618
00:44:51,929 –> 00:44:54,889
Right. No. Yeah. So it’s got to be in your hands.

619
00:44:55,549 –> 00:44:59,529
And again, you need to know how to use it and what kind. You know,

620
00:44:59,549 –> 00:45:00,949
there’s different kinds of pepper spray.

621
00:45:01,529 –> 00:45:06,609
You have a cone shape that kind of comes out in a spray mist,

622
00:45:06,769 –> 00:45:10,649
which is great for getting the bad guy, but it will also come back on you.

623
00:45:10,929 –> 00:45:15,209
You have stream, which is what we use in the police department.

624
00:45:15,329 –> 00:45:18,729
And you can stand farther away with a stream and hit somebody,

625
00:45:18,789 –> 00:45:20,429
but you have to be a little bit more accurate.

626
00:45:21,289 –> 00:45:26,609
I’ve never used it yet, but I know they have gel. And that seems to be like

627
00:45:26,609 –> 00:45:31,129
something that I would also recommend because it comes out quite well.

628
00:45:31,189 –> 00:45:32,849
And then there’s another kind of like foam.

629
00:45:33,489 –> 00:45:36,389
So you need to know what kind of pepper spray you’re buying.

630
00:45:37,149 –> 00:45:40,329
And like I said, buy two, take it

631
00:45:40,329 –> 00:45:43,489
outside maybe put a paper plate up on the tree

632
00:45:43,489 –> 00:45:46,589
you might want to check which way the wind’s going you

633
00:45:46,589 –> 00:45:49,529
make sure your neighbors aren’t having a barbecue and then

634
00:45:49,529 –> 00:45:54,669
see how far back you have to stand you know put a little smiley face on the

635
00:45:54,669 –> 00:45:59,589
plate and then aim for the brows we aim for the brows and let pepper spray run

636
00:45:59,589 –> 00:46:08,689
down into the eye that’s that’s a really convenient tool to carry When you look at phaser,

637
00:46:08,769 –> 00:46:11,489
which is an amazing tool,

638
00:46:11,589 –> 00:46:14,989
and all the officers know that we have to get phased.

639
00:46:15,289 –> 00:46:19,829
It was literally the longest five seconds of my life when I was getting phased.

640
00:46:21,009 –> 00:46:24,729
It is very, very painful. It’s a shocking experience.

641
00:46:26,069 –> 00:46:31,109
Yeah, it’s very shocking. So your muscles are contracting. I believe it’s like 19 times a second.

642
00:46:32,641 –> 00:46:35,041
It is extremely painful. Now, the thing about taser, though,

643
00:46:35,101 –> 00:46:39,621
is when it’s done, it’s done. Yeah. It’s the second it stops, it’s done.

644
00:46:40,221 –> 00:46:46,901
So I’ve been told that the civilian model of taser goes for 30 seconds. It’s like 20 seconds.

645
00:46:47,541 –> 00:46:51,201
It stops for a second to give the person a breath, and then it goes for another

646
00:46:51,201 –> 00:46:55,981
10, which is ungodly in my mind after being tased. I can’t even imagine.

647
00:46:56,481 –> 00:47:02,101
But the whole point between that is they want you to lay it down and run.

648
00:47:02,641 –> 00:47:07,041
And get away yeah get away so they’re giving you more time yes now i need to

649
00:47:07,041 –> 00:47:10,881
make something clear because a lot of people don’t realize this that a taser

650
00:47:10,881 –> 00:47:13,121
and a stun gun are two different things,

651
00:47:13,821 –> 00:47:18,601
in the movies or on tv they always have the stun gun and they walk up and they

652
00:47:18,601 –> 00:47:21,981
hit somebody in the arm with it and the person goes down on the ground they

653
00:47:21,981 –> 00:47:23,901
start jerking around like funky chickens.

654
00:47:25,281 –> 00:47:30,261
And it doesn’t work that way that’s not the way a stun gun works a stun gun

655
00:47:30,261 –> 00:47:33,561
is hurting you right Right in that one section that they got hit.

656
00:47:33,721 –> 00:47:35,061
And is it better than nothing?

657
00:47:35,541 –> 00:47:37,681
Yeah, absolutely. It’s better than having nothing.

658
00:47:38,341 –> 00:47:42,621
But a person can also overpower through that too. And they’re not going to jerk

659
00:47:42,621 –> 00:47:46,541
on the ground and roll around and, you know, have convulsions from it.

660
00:47:46,921 –> 00:47:50,841
The taser are the barbs that come out and stick into the muscle.

661
00:47:50,981 –> 00:47:55,961
And the way it works is it has to get in between the big muscle groups and make your muscles contract.

662
00:47:56,321 –> 00:47:58,501
So it’s a different entity.

663
00:47:58,921 –> 00:48:01,521
And I just want to make sure everybody realizes that.

664
00:48:02,021 –> 00:48:05,561
The difference between it. Because most people think when I say taser,

665
00:48:05,561 –> 00:48:08,141
it’s the thing that you just walk up and you touch them on the arm with it.

666
00:48:08,321 –> 00:48:12,801
Yeah. You’re talking more like the taser guns that have the cartridges that

667
00:48:12,801 –> 00:48:14,661
you, you know, they’re one-time use.

668
00:48:14,761 –> 00:48:19,501
You fire the cartridges, there’s little barbed darts that come out on basically

669
00:48:19,501 –> 00:48:24,441
wired cable that stick into the muscle tissue and then current flows through

670
00:48:24,441 –> 00:48:28,961
the wire into those barbed needles,

671
00:48:29,281 –> 00:48:31,861
pins, whatever, whatever to deliver the juice.

672
00:48:31,961 –> 00:48:37,661
But once that cartridge has been used, you don’t wind up those wires and reuse

673
00:48:37,661 –> 00:48:40,221
it again. The next time you have to replace those cartridges.

674
00:48:40,321 –> 00:48:42,641
And so that’s something to keep in mind when you’re practicing,

675
00:48:42,781 –> 00:48:45,361
if you’re going to try to practice aiming and shooting yours,

676
00:48:45,401 –> 00:48:49,641
is that be prepared to have spare cartridges for those too.

677
00:48:50,201 –> 00:48:56,181
Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, hopefully podcast was going to reach some folks.

678
00:48:56,261 –> 00:48:57,601
You’re doing your thing too.

679
00:48:58,521 –> 00:49:02,961
How do you get, Getting the message out there that you’re available in this

680
00:49:02,961 –> 00:49:06,981
program is good for women and teens and whatnot.

681
00:49:07,681 –> 00:49:11,541
Those that are unsure about whether or not they want to go through something

682
00:49:11,541 –> 00:49:15,461
like this, or they think they’re going to get scared, or it hits too close to

683
00:49:15,461 –> 00:49:19,101
home because maybe they’ve had a close call, or maybe they’ve been through something

684
00:49:19,101 –> 00:49:22,481
which we know has happened in a lot of instances.

685
00:49:22,481 –> 00:49:29,781
What would you say to the audience to get them to come, to learn, to see?

686
00:49:31,174 –> 00:49:34,634
To experience a program like yours? The way you got to look at it,

687
00:49:34,654 –> 00:49:42,134
the best way to one, avoid being a victim in the first place is just to be prepared all around.

688
00:49:42,794 –> 00:49:48,014
And I always kind of look at it this way from the time we’re little kids.

689
00:49:48,494 –> 00:49:52,914
And I hate to say the fire department beats us in anything because it’s on the

690
00:49:52,914 –> 00:49:56,414
top, but the fire department kicks our butt when it comes to this stuff.

691
00:49:56,494 –> 00:50:01,074
You learn how to stop, drop and roll. the first thing you do when you get in kindergarten.

692
00:50:01,354 –> 00:50:04,394
Now, if you’re on fire, what do you do? Stop, drop, and roll.

693
00:50:04,754 –> 00:50:09,974
They’ve got fire safety all in schools. You practice fire drills and all that stuff.

694
00:50:10,354 –> 00:50:14,814
But do you walk around being afraid you’re going to catch on fire? No.

695
00:50:15,434 –> 00:50:18,434
You’ve got to be prepared. So it’s the same thing.

696
00:50:18,794 –> 00:50:21,514
You know, I don’t want everybody walking around thinking that they’re going

697
00:50:21,514 –> 00:50:27,274
to be jumped or something bad’s going to happen to them, but you need to be prepared.

698
00:50:27,274 –> 00:50:30,454
And it’s and the more you’re prepared the less afraid

699
00:50:30,454 –> 00:50:35,814
you are yeah it’s not about paranoia it’s about simply being prepared and knowing

700
00:50:35,814 –> 00:50:42,794
what to do in in the unlikely event that something bad could happen or it can

701
00:50:42,794 –> 00:50:48,874
happen so how can people find out more how can people find you reach out

702
00:50:48,954 –> 00:50:52,294
to you okay so they can go

703
00:50:52,294 –> 00:50:55,314
to new you defense.com and like

704
00:50:55,314 –> 00:51:00,114
you said before it’s new with a letter u defense well listen Debbie this has

705
00:51:00,114 –> 00:51:04,234
been great i hope our audience gets a lot from this and takes away something

706
00:51:04,234 –> 00:51:07,894
if nothing else like we said before it’s making them think and hopefully making

707
00:51:07,894 –> 00:51:12,574
them think about coming to see you or somebody to learn maybe a little bit more

708
00:51:12,654 –> 00:51:17,454
than they thought they already knew or anything new that could help them out.

709
00:51:17,734 –> 00:51:21,054
And we appreciate you joining us today for sure.

710
00:51:21,514 –> 00:51:27,454
Thank you. And I’m so glad to be here and have an opportunity to hopefully reach

711
00:51:27,454 –> 00:51:31,494
some listeners and give them some good tips on how to keep themselves safe.

712
00:51:32,394 –> 00:51:36,994
Absolutely. We appreciate you taking time out of your busy schedule and thanks

713
00:51:36,994 –> 00:51:38,574
for all of our listeners too.

714
00:51:38,694 –> 00:51:40,634
Absolutely. Thanks so much.

715
00:51:41,614 –> 00:51:45,894
I wanted to take a minute here and thank our listeners. If this is your first

716
00:51:45,894 –> 00:51:50,374
time listening into the Self-Initiative Project podcast, thank you for coming and listening.

717
00:51:50,514 –> 00:51:54,254
We hope you’ll go back and get caught up to where we are now with Episode 5.

718
00:51:54,674 –> 00:51:58,274
If you’ve been with us from the beginning, we really appreciate you listening in.

719
00:51:58,654 –> 00:52:02,554
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720
00:52:02,554 –> 00:52:06,834
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722
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But in either case, we wanted to thank you for listening in and following us

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and keep listening because we’ve got some exciting stuff coming.

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