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Hello and welcome to another episode of the self-initiative project podcast

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i’m your host jim o’brien hey hey and welcome back to another episode today

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i have my special guest chris fields on with me to talk about uh trackers but

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but before that just wanted to welcome chris and

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have him tell us a little bit about himself. How are you, Chris?

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I’m doing well, Jim. I’m glad to be here, man. Thanks for having me.

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Yeah, thanks for coming on.

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Yeah, man. Yeah, so, yeah, my name is Chris.

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And so, you know, I’m a guy. I’m 50 years old.

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I’m 50 years old. You know, I’ve traveled the world for 30 years doing robotics, industrial robotics.

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You know, I’ve seen a thing or two, raised three kids, a United States citizen.

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I’ve been to different countries all night, you know?

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So, yeah, I’m a guy living life and doing things, you know?

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So it sounds like you’re pretty much like me, just an average guy doing what you do.

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And we both had an interest in talking about this particular subject since it’s

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kind of popped up on your radar more recently and evidently is becoming a thing

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or has been a thing. And that’s trackers.

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And what we’re talking about when we talk about trackers is this,

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these little devices, you’ve probably heard of them or seen them,

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or you may even have one already yourself where you put them in your bag,

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you put them on your key chain, you put them in your wallet.

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And if you misplace those items, the apps allow you to track those items so

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you can easily recover them and find them. They typically work off of Bluetooth.

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I know some of them, I think there’s one called the Cube that works off a GPS

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in addition to or instead of.

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But anyway, they’re little small devices that are easy enough. They look like a key fob.

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They can click onto your keychain, whatever. There’s a lot of brands.

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Apple has their AirTag. Samsung has one called SmartTag, I think,

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for their Galaxy phones that work really well with the Android Galaxy phones. There’s Chipolo.

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There is Tile. Tile has a couple.

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Tile Pro, I know, is one of the couple that they have out.

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And there’s a handful of others and probably more coming out every day,

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like every other technological device.

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But the intent of these devices is to put them on small items or really whatever

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you want to so you can track them down if you misplace them or lose them.

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That’s basically the gist. But as it turns out,

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Some of the more known, better known trackers might have been used for nefarious

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purposes or they can be used for nefarious purposes and have been in some instances,

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such as stalking and even property theft, you know, specifically vehicle theft.

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And you’ve kind of had a run in with that more recently yourself.

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Yeah, man. Yeah, that’s exactly. I’m telling you, you should work.

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That was the best description of what those things are. That was so clear in coherence.

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They marketed it just like that. They marketed it as, oh, in case you lose your

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keys or your Nana loses her purse or something like that. They make it seem

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like it’s a really nice thing.

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And on the surface, it does look like that. But like you said,

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that you were looking towards the end there, you said people are using it for more nefarious things.

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You know, there’s a class action lawsuit right now against Apple because of,

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you know, people who have been tracked down and bad things happen to them due to the technology.

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You know, is it is it Apple’s fault?

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You know, or Cube or anybody? No, but it’s what the intention of it is.

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They’re both in the old gum thing.

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You know, the competitive shooter for 10 years, you know, shot thousands and thousands of rounds.

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No one was injured. you know but yet in other people’s hands that thing is the

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most controversial thing that touched the planet,

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you know so yeah exactly what it is you know and that’s i’m glad you said it the way you said it

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was like it is that would be this really nice thing but in reality

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it’s not like that so what what we what we know now you

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know so my situation was that so i traveled you know i found around i was going

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to go see a customer i i drive um i was about seven hours away six or seven

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hours away from georgia and ended up in a smaller town to meet to meet the customer

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that’s where they’re located at.

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I go in there, hang out with them for a little bit. I got there around 4 or 5 o’clock, whatever.

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Hang out with them, everything’s good. They’re friends of mine and then I went to my hotel.

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I checked into my hotel and stretched out, cleaned up a little bit and then

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went down to go get something to eat.

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This is a small town. It’s not a very big town so they have one area.

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You can go get your little restaurant lizard.

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Anyway, I got something to eat. I didn’t go out and party. I didn’t talk to

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anybody. I wasn’t making friends.

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Right. Didn’t meet up. You don’t do things. Right.

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I was just doing my thing, went ate, came back to my hotel room.

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I lay down to go to bed and my phone gives me this alert. It’s about 10 o’clock

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at night now. I went out around about 6 or 7.

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I get this notification, but it looks unique.

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It’s not like the notification you get from Facebook or Instagram or anything like that.

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It’s a very stately notification.

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And I thought then it said something about an air attack. And I thought it was

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somebody was trying to airdrop something to me because people do that.

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You know, I’m like, oh, what’s this? So I decided to research what it was. And I clicked on.

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And I looked at it and I go, that’s where I was. It showed a map of where the

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tag was attached to me at.

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And I was in that location at that time. Now, this is three hours later, though, right?

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So I got, I was out at six, seven o’clock. I came back and it alerted me about

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it until 10 o’clock. And I’m like, oh, geez.

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Anyway, so I realized what it was. And I’m like, well, why would somebody tag me?

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I don’t even know anybody here. But I was like, whatever. It happened.

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All right. So, when I travel, I take certain precautions.

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You know, I always take two layers of protection with me when I go on the road

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because I don’t know what’s going to happen.

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I don’t know, you know, what you’re going to run into, but it’s better to have

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it than I need it than I need it than I need it than I need it, right? Yeah, exactly.

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So, I go ahead and I said, so, I’m on the first floor of this hotel,

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right? There’s like a…

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Breezeway next to my, there’s the out facing window and there’s a door to come in.

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There’s a slight hallway, which is an important part of the conversation,

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but there’s a little hallway that comes into the, into the main room. Yeah.

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So I got back to the hotel and all that happened. So I started to really start

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to think about, you know, well, I’m in the situation, you know,

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all I know is I wanted to go to sleep. So I booby trapped the room.

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You know, I hung, uh, So I hung the iron up on the curtain, bent the curtain

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right out a little bit, hung the iron up on it where it’d be able to slide off.

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And I put the cord behind the window, so the sliding window,

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so it would pull it off. Yeah. Right? It would wake me up.

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And then I took the ironing board and hung it off the latch of the door and put a coat hanger.

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It was kind of crazy. There was a closet right there.

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I wedged it in there so in case somebody came through the door,

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it would fall, potentially stop them or scare them or wake me up.

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You’re going to get woken up either way. That’s what I was doing.

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Yeah. Exactly. Well, the unfortunate part was I got a little fire drill because

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the iron blow, I didn’t really guess I didn’t rig it up that well.

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And it fell. It was like one o’clock in the morning. I jumped up, grabbed up my gun.

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I was like, ah, I was ready. I was like, oh. But nothing happened.

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Nothing happened. Yeah, that’s good to you. I literally laughed when I went

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back to bed. And I was like, oh, Jesus.

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But anyway, but I didn’t know. Well, you don’t know. I didn’t know.

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Yeah, exactly. You’re away from home. I was going to be more.

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Right. Yeah, you’re away from home. You’re in a hotel room. You don’t have all

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your stuff maybe that you would at the house, right?

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So you’re taking things that you’ve got around you and using them.

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And I think, you know, on a sidebar note, that’s an important lesson in and of itself, right?

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Like sometimes you got to make do with what you have and that could be an iron,

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a clothes iron and a coat hanger, you know, at the end of the day.

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But that’s great that you did that because you don’t know.

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Right right exactly you’re out of town you don’t know you’re

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seven hours away from where you live you’re not

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you don’t have any creature comfort you know exactly so I

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was you know I just went on high alert I was like okay anyway I went made it

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through the night obviously you know I woke up the next day I had been there

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met with the customer but I was driving home when it kind of realized what happened

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you know and I was just like wow you know what was that time to process why did that happen,

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right you know it was fight or flight You know what I’m saying?

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Because that’s the situation I was in. And I was like, well,

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I don’t, I don’t even want to think about it. I’m just going to discontinue.

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Somebody could be hunting. I don’t know why, but anyway, you know, I don’t know.

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It could have been some racist dude who, you know, happened to be of Africa.

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I don’t know. I’m mixed, but that’s neither here nor there.

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And they threw a tag in the bed of my truck. I don’t know. I don’t know.

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You don’t know. You know, or whatever it was, it could have been,

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it could have been a gang initiation.

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It could have been in any number of things. It could have been anything. I don’t know.

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Yeah. You don’t know. So, you know, forget it, you know, not to bring anybody

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else into it, but you have to weigh the consequences, weigh what you’re playing

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with. And that’s kind of what I did.

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So when I was driving home, I started thinking about it. I was like,

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well, what is this thing? And I kind of broke it down the way you did it when

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you started the conversation.

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And I was like, man, you know, what is that thing?

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What’s it for? You know, and why would work in this be used at?

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You know, and at first you go to the obvious marketing that they give you.

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And oh it’s for mom it’s for you know when your

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nana loses their keys you can find it she’s right paying your

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butt anymore you know what i’m saying that kind of thing that’s

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what it’s for but the reality of it is and now this is like

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no they could use this for other things oh yeah this could definitely be

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used for other things you know you don’t but you don’t want to first want to

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say or think it because you have the the the naughty stock

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you know what i’m saying you don’t want to i didn’t come out with that but i

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was like you got to think about this you know yeah and then so i posted something

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on instagram right and i kind of alerted people because i got a I got a few

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thousand followers on this who happen to be the majority of the majority of

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the women and I was like you ladies didn’t really be careful about this because.

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There’s a situation, and it’s not just to women. It could be anybody.

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It’s not gender, you know, neutral or whatever, I don’t know,

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whatever they say, you know what I mean? Right. It’s not any of that.

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It could happen to anybody. It could happen to anybody.

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You guys need to be, right, you need to be aware of this, that this could happen,

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you know, and somebody could do something to follow you when they have access

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to you and where your whereabouts are and know they could, you know,

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they could plan your frequency and what you do.

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There’s a lot of things that could happen with you, you know,

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and people need to be made aware of it.

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And the fact, the thing that really kind of stuck out the most isn’t that

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this is really that new a technology this has been around for decades yeah

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but you had to be like like a counter surveillance or

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surveillance guy or you had to have like the insight to go find it the problem

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with this is this is at walmart you know you can go to walmart and then in the

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line grab one of these things pay for it you know and go out and then you know

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there’s probably some dude that i don’t want to be you know negative but there’s

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probably a guy who goes by the 12 pack of beer and,

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one of these sits in the back and says night to him you know what I’m saying

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you know what I’m saying you know what I’m saying you know and that’s crazy

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and just to be clear I don’t think we’re saying that the manufacturer of these things.

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Had, you know, thought that this would be or could be used in a nefarious manner.

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But the fact of the matter is people are going to be people, right?

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And there’s some nefarious folks in the world. And if there’s a way to use something

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in a manner that it was not really intended to, nor should it,

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ethically or otherwise morally be used as such, they’re going to find out,

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they’re going to figure out and find out how to use it that way and then likely do it.

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And so, you know, going back to And to your point, you know,

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the marketing spin is find your keys.

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The nefarious spin on it is, hey, here’s a really simple, easy,

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inexpensive way to track people potentially or track property specifically.

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You know, I’ve understood a little bit of research I’ve done that,

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you know, car thefts could be, you know, I guess initiated with one of these trackers.

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And so it’s not the product itself. It’s how the people figure out those that

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are intended on doing something bad, you know, how they figure out how to use it.

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So, you know, I did a little research and they basically work on Bluetooth, right?

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Some of them, like I mentioned, I think the Cube and maybe some others out there

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and some older things work on GPS.

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But I guess a lot of them have moved to and now are using the latest and greatest Bluetooth.

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And typically, even like the latest Bluetooth 5.0 or whatever it is, it only has a range.

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These devices only have, on average, a range of 200 to 400 feet.

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Some, however, are touted as having greater. And so pick on them.

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The AirTag, the Apple AirTag. Actually, if you’re outdoors, it can have a distance,

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it can have a range of up to 800 feet.

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Now, they say as soon as you go indoors, it drops down to about 130,

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but you can expect all these numbers for any of them to be approximations and

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probably on the high side of the approximations.

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My point is is that some are

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greater than what the others seem to

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tout and at the same time they are kind of

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limited because they do use bluetooth technology and that only goes so far and

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then if you throw barriers and walls and metal cars and whatever else but but

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if you are outdoors and on a good day and a clear night and the moon’s aligned

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just right let’s say you could do 800 feet with any of them.

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If you translate that, that’s,

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to roughly just shy of 2.7 football fields.

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That’s plenty enough distance to pace and get enough distance between you and

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that car that you might be following to track down, to find where they live,

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to either have intentions with the people or intentions with that vehicle or

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other property that you may have watched them load into their vehicle at the

00:14:50.797 –> 00:14:52.997
store that you’re following a home from.

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So they are somewhat limited, but that distance, you can see how it could enable

00:14:59.177 –> 00:15:03.657
those that have ill intent to do exactly what they’re trying to do.

00:15:04.077 –> 00:15:10.377
Now, they all have apps that you use to track, you know, when you lose your

00:15:10.377 –> 00:15:14.577
keys, because it’s supposed to be used for items and property, not anything else.

00:15:14.577 –> 00:15:19.337
When you lose your keys, there’s apps, they’ll beep, They’ll give it,

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provide a signal back through the Bluetooth.

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And I know, again, picking on them for just a minute, the AirTags,

00:15:27.857 –> 00:15:34.617
Apple kind of responded to this concern of nefarious things going on or the potential for it.

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And what Apple did was, I think what you experienced is, hey,

00:15:38.837 –> 00:15:42.737
you’ve got an unknown AirTag near you, right?

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And so they did that in response to trying to tighten things up a little bit

00:15:48.237 –> 00:15:51.277
as much as they could in the moment that they decide to do that.

00:15:51.417 –> 00:15:56.477
And so what that means is after that air tag has been away from its owner for

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a period of time, I think you said it was probably about three hours before you got the notice.

00:16:01.977 –> 00:16:07.037
It’s how it works is after a period of time of being completely away from its

00:16:07.037 –> 00:16:13.137
actual owner, it will send out a signal saying, hey, I’m out here. I’m basically lost.

00:16:13.317 –> 00:16:18.157
But if you’re using the app, like, say, in the using Apple app.

00:16:18.558 –> 00:16:23.678
They have an app called Find My, and it’s meant for finding your AirTags.

00:16:23.918 –> 00:16:29.498
And what that app will do, and anybody can have Find My on their Apple.

00:16:29.498 –> 00:16:35.158
It’s only for Apple. But what Apple did is if you have a tag that’s not yours,

00:16:35.158 –> 00:16:37.658
basically, it will alert you.

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And then it gives you a means of shutting that tag down since it’s not yours, which is kind of nice.

00:16:44.458 –> 00:16:49.018
Yeah. Android actually. But that’s. Huh? Go ahead. Yeah, go ahead.

00:16:49.078 –> 00:16:51.698
No, go ahead. You were right segwayed right into it. You were going right into it.

00:16:51.818 –> 00:16:56.018
No, I was just going to say that Android put out something to track AirTags

00:16:56.018 –> 00:16:58.398
specifically called Tracker Detect.

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And it’s a simple free app you can download. And it’s supposedly based off of Bluetooth.

00:17:04.318 –> 00:17:08.638
Using Bluetooth will look for AirTags in your area.

00:17:09.638 –> 00:17:14.438
So there are things being done to kind of help or at least give the feeling

00:17:14.438 –> 00:17:17.998
of mitigation of the issue at hand. But really, it’s about dealing with people

00:17:17.998 –> 00:17:21.518
like any other personal safety, personal protection topic, right?

00:17:21.658 –> 00:17:22.938
You got to deal with the people.

00:17:23.138 –> 00:17:27.978
They’ll use any device, any means necessary to accomplish their goal.

00:17:29.586 –> 00:17:33.626
Yeah, like Michael Caine said, he said, so there’s some men that just want to

00:17:33.626 –> 00:17:35.026
see the world burn, man. Yeah.

00:17:35.366 –> 00:17:38.606
They’re just angry and they want to do bad things. But, you know,

00:17:38.746 –> 00:17:43.446
the segue that you add there is accurate because this is a deep rabbit hole, dude.

00:17:43.786 –> 00:17:49.046
I got into this and I got frustrated with it because it’s not just Apple or Android.

00:17:49.346 –> 00:17:55.446
There’s a litany. There’s Chinese knockoffs. You can go on Wish.com or Alibaba

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or whatever anybody buys it all.

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And you can buy a pack of 12, a family pack of these things.

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Family pack the econo pack exactly yeah i’m like well holy shit well that’s

00:18:05.266 –> 00:18:09.446
great that my little apple phone will go ahead and tell me when an air tag is

00:18:09.446 –> 00:18:11.806
there or a joy phone tell me when their.

00:18:12.246 –> 00:18:15.766
Cubans or whatever they got is there well what about all this other stuff out

00:18:15.766 –> 00:18:19.626
here yeah you know what about all this other stuff you know and it goes deep

00:18:19.626 –> 00:18:22.606
and it’s just like man i don’t necessarily think this is something that needs

00:18:22.606 –> 00:18:26.366
to be mass consumerism yeah i mean i don’t You know,

00:18:26.526 –> 00:18:29.286
there’s a line of what should and shouldn’t be done all the time,

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but I don’t see this being something that needs to be like,

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oh, buy a stick of gum or a pack of gum and then, and then get an air attack while you’re at it.

00:18:37.106 –> 00:18:40.046
No, no, that doesn’t need to be laying out there like that because people,

00:18:40.166 –> 00:18:44.566
I don’t mind, you know, idle hands and idle minds and people start getting some kind of work.

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That’s where I’m at with it. I think as a whole sense of technology,

00:18:49.246 –> 00:18:52.306
this needs to be put back on the shelf and reevaluated.

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That’s where I’m at with it. I tend to agree because the intent and purpose

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that they had for the technology seems to be noble.

00:19:03.086 –> 00:19:08.646
Like if Nana has a hard time keeping up with her keys, should she be better at it? Sure.

00:19:08.846 –> 00:19:16.106
But if not, this could be one easy, smooth, relatively inexpensive way that you could find it.

00:19:16.186 –> 00:19:20.466
I mean, my buddy’s got a tile or something in his wallet. So if he misplaces

00:19:20.466 –> 00:19:25.206
his wallet, he can track it down, right? So it kind of has good intent.

00:19:27.606 –> 00:19:32.826
It still has good intent. No, go ahead. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

00:19:33.997 –> 00:19:37.957
30 years, 35, 40. I don’t remember that time. I lost a key. Yeah, I don’t either.

00:19:38.157 –> 00:19:41.097
Like the keys, my keys are the last thing I’m ever going to lose.

00:19:41.277 –> 00:19:45.877
Like, have I, did I misplace them in the house somewhere and left them on a shelf?

00:19:46.017 –> 00:19:50.117
I don’t regularly leave them on. And I was like, now where the hell did I put my keys?

00:19:50.277 –> 00:19:53.917
Yeah, I’ve done that a couple of times, but this dude never loses keys.

00:19:54.057 –> 00:19:57.837
Now that’s not to say that there’s not others out there that struggle every

00:19:57.837 –> 00:20:01.297
day with their wallets, their phones, their keys, their luggage, whatever,

00:20:01.517 –> 00:20:04.837
you know, luggage is a thing that I could say would be a cool way,

00:20:04.917 –> 00:20:09.377
but I kind of, when, when you brought this up, I kind of had the same thought as you.

00:20:09.577 –> 00:20:13.997
It’s like, okay, you know that this could potentially be used,

00:20:13.997 –> 00:20:18.817
but then again, you know, it was like you say, it’s a deep, deep, deep rabbit hole.

00:20:18.977 –> 00:20:23.537
It’s like, okay, if you know this could be used for ill purpose, should it be put out?

00:20:23.737 –> 00:20:27.297
Well, then you just opened up Pandora’s box.

00:20:28.157 –> 00:20:30.077
You would have thought that,

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And, you know, and I don’t know, I was about to launch into,

00:20:34.402 –> 00:20:36.982
you know, putting more thought into it.

00:20:37.082 –> 00:20:44.062
But what exactly do you do to keep things from not being used as intended?

00:20:44.622 –> 00:20:47.122
Right. So this is technology.

00:20:47.822 –> 00:20:52.082
But what could you do? Well, I think that I think it’s a good question.

00:20:52.522 –> 00:20:57.382
It’s one of those things. It’s an ethical issue, you know, and there’s something

00:20:57.382 –> 00:21:01.822
wrong with, you know, let’s go back. a step back.

00:21:02.242 –> 00:21:05.482
Because there’s a part where you were saying they think that it could be used for nefarious.

00:21:05.662 –> 00:21:10.382
No, they have a class action suit right now going on aiding that they’re in trouble.

00:21:10.942 –> 00:21:14.862
That people have been hunted down with these things. They know that the problem

00:21:14.862 –> 00:21:16.382
exists. They’ve been made aware.

00:21:17.702 –> 00:21:21.862
Exactly. In the name of profit, like, dude, seriously, you guys are supposed

00:21:21.862 –> 00:21:24.382
to be the shining pillar of the community.

00:21:24.902 –> 00:21:28.982
You know? And you want us to use your technology? Well, then do us a solid.

00:21:29.102 –> 00:21:31.842
Why don’t you kick one back step and get the put this back down you know

00:21:31.842 –> 00:21:34.862
we kind of make them illegal but illegal doesn’t mean anything you

00:21:34.862 –> 00:21:37.582
know i mean it’s already kind of opened the box up people know what’s out

00:21:37.582 –> 00:21:41.222
there yeah you know they’re going to copy it it was like napster you know it’s

00:21:41.222 –> 00:21:44.362
master everybody was downloading free music and they shut it down when they

00:21:44.362 –> 00:21:47.502
opened up line where they just kept opening and opening and opening right it

00:21:47.502 –> 00:21:51.142
is what it is but i think the thing that needs to be done is what we’re doing

00:21:51.142 –> 00:21:54.862
right now is making other people aware that this technology exists and that

00:21:54.862 –> 00:21:56.802
it could potentially go off and get you?

00:21:56.942 –> 00:22:01.862
What can you do about it? Well, that’s what my whole Instagram post was about.

00:22:01.982 –> 00:22:04.442
It was like, okay, if it happens to you, great.

00:22:04.582 –> 00:22:06.842
I mean, it’s terrible and we hate that it happens, but what are you going to

00:22:06.842 –> 00:22:08.442
do? What’s your backstop?

00:22:08.742 –> 00:22:12.562
What is it? Where are you going to, what’s your booby trap? How are you going to booby trap your room?

00:22:12.742 –> 00:22:18.702
And I’m not a tinfoil hat guy. I don’t walk around scared. You know, and go, oh, whoa.

00:22:19.822 –> 00:22:23.582
I’m not one of those guys. I live my life pretty fancy because I don’t mess with anything.

00:22:24.212 –> 00:22:27.152
You know, I leave, you know, I treat people the way I want to be treated. Go anyway.

00:22:27.572 –> 00:22:31.412
It’s not an effort thing over here right now. But that’s the point.

00:22:31.712 –> 00:22:34.772
The point of everything that you do, your self-initiative program,

00:22:34.932 –> 00:22:37.392
your project, is everything. That’s what you’ve been telling people.

00:22:37.492 –> 00:22:38.332
Like, look, pay attention.

00:22:38.572 –> 00:22:41.712
You’re not telling people to freak out and, oh, my God, they’re out to get you.

00:22:41.852 –> 00:22:45.872
You’re saying, hey, man, don’t make it easy for them. You know, be a harder target.

00:22:46.112 –> 00:22:48.612
They don’t, because criminals have tendency to find the easiest way.

00:22:48.732 –> 00:22:49.852
They take the path of each resistance.

00:22:50.432 –> 00:22:54.012
You know, they don’t want to go up against people that are going to fight back

00:22:54.012 –> 00:22:58.052
or be prepared in any way, shape, or form because it impedes what they want to do.

00:22:58.332 –> 00:23:02.732
They’re out to make a quick buck. And 99.9% of them, well, probably 95% of them

00:23:02.732 –> 00:23:03.812
are some type of drug addict.

00:23:04.132 –> 00:23:07.712
You know, they’re not processing at the highest level. All you got to do is

00:23:07.712 –> 00:23:08.832
slip them up a little bit.

00:23:09.172 –> 00:23:13.892
Jim, I’m not going to lie to you. Part of me kind of wished that somebody came

00:23:13.892 –> 00:23:16.492
through that door just to see what I had to do.

00:23:16.632 –> 00:23:19.052
You know what I’m saying? If I was really as prepared as I thought I was.

00:23:19.052 –> 00:23:23.232
You know, and that sounds bad, but the reality, like, I don’t want to hurt anybody.

00:23:23.592 –> 00:23:26.472
I don’t want to be, I don’t want to carry myself as some badass or anything

00:23:26.472 –> 00:23:27.712
like that. It’s not the way I roll.

00:23:28.192 –> 00:23:32.172
But, you know, to be prepared and to get tested every now and then,

00:23:32.412 –> 00:23:35.292
ain’t no wrong with that. You know what I’m saying? It’s a good feeling.

00:23:35.752 –> 00:23:38.472
It’s a good feeling. I came out of that feeling pretty good, man.

00:23:38.692 –> 00:23:41.892
I handled that pretty well. And I think you did, too.

00:23:42.112 –> 00:23:46.332
And, you know, by booby trap, we’re not inferring. I don’t think it’s safe to

00:23:46.332 –> 00:23:48.772
say that Chris isn’t saying set up man traps.

00:23:48.992 –> 00:23:52.352
In his case, you know, he’s setting up alerting mechanisms for himself.

00:23:52.532 –> 00:23:54.712
Right. So no one’s going to get the drop. Right.

00:23:54.972 –> 00:24:01.592
I think the takeaways I would have out of the things of what I think you were

00:24:01.592 –> 00:24:05.492
saying is one is what can we do about these things? Well, you’re not going to

00:24:05.492 –> 00:24:08.032
stop it. The technology has been out a long time.

00:24:08.252 –> 00:24:13.532
There’s a crap ton of really inexpensive knockoffs probably starting to flood the market.

00:24:14.012 –> 00:24:16.592
If someone’s got nefarious, ill intent.

00:24:17.326 –> 00:24:20.486
They’re going to do what they’re going to do. There’s not a lot you can do to

00:24:20.486 –> 00:24:22.786
shut that behavior down, right?

00:24:23.026 –> 00:24:28.906
So it’s on you as the individual to figure out what you’re going to do for yourself

00:24:28.906 –> 00:24:33.826
and what you would do for yourself should you be confronted with this type of

00:24:33.826 –> 00:24:36.666
thing with these trackers or any other personal safety,

00:24:36.946 –> 00:24:39.226
personal protection scenario that you can think of.

00:24:39.226 –> 00:24:43.486
I think getting to the point is, is that one is what can we do is,

00:24:43.946 –> 00:24:46.646
well, we’re doing it, right? It’s about creating awareness.

00:24:47.066 –> 00:24:51.886
Did you even know this sort of thing existed? Do you check your stuff occasionally?

00:24:52.086 –> 00:24:56.586
Do you fire up this app to see if, you know, you’re missing notifications or

00:24:56.586 –> 00:25:03.226
if something that you can pick up on this nearby that it seems odd and out of place?

00:25:03.746 –> 00:25:06.906
Are you prepared? Do you have a plan in place?

00:25:07.446 –> 00:25:12.186
Do you know how to rig up something to alert you if someone came into your hotel

00:25:12.186 –> 00:25:14.526
room in the middle of the night while you’re trying to sleep?

00:25:14.866 –> 00:25:19.546
And then the other one, which I cling on to, and maybe it’s a stretch out of

00:25:19.546 –> 00:25:21.826
what you said, but the other one for me is…

00:25:22.781 –> 00:25:31.581
You don’t necessarily want to literally test what you would do, right?

00:25:31.681 –> 00:25:36.001
Because you don’t mean any ill will and you don’t want to have to follow it through.

00:25:36.261 –> 00:25:42.721
But I think the spin on that and what I preach a lot is the importance of thinking through scenarios.

00:25:43.401 –> 00:25:46.701
Because anybody that’s thought through the scenario, a scenario,

00:25:46.941 –> 00:25:50.741
and has come up with a plan for themselves, and that plan may not be appropriate

00:25:50.741 –> 00:25:54.341
for everyone or work for everyone, But that plan that you’ve come up with for

00:25:54.341 –> 00:25:57.761
yourself, given the scenario you’ve thought through, you’re better off than

00:25:57.761 –> 00:25:59.981
the person that hasn’t given it any thought.

00:26:00.381 –> 00:26:04.461
And you’re therefore kind of making yourself better prepared in the first place.

00:26:04.461 –> 00:26:08.561
But I think relative to this and technology that’s coming out,

00:26:08.561 –> 00:26:14.701
you know, on a daily basis, just about on a large scale, there’s not a lot you can do about that.

00:26:14.901 –> 00:26:19.941
But I think you can start by getting the information out there like you did

00:26:19.941 –> 00:26:22.981
on your Instagram account, you know, making people aware.

00:26:23.201 –> 00:26:26.961
And do they need to check inside their duffel bags every time they travel?

00:26:27.261 –> 00:26:30.301
Well, maybe. Is that what they want to do? Is that part of their safety,

00:26:30.501 –> 00:26:32.441
their personal safety plan? Could be.

00:26:33.041 –> 00:26:37.381
But I think, you know, being aware that this is going on, that there are these

00:26:37.381 –> 00:26:41.361
little trackers that you can have stuck on your car or thrown in your duffel

00:26:41.361 –> 00:26:44.561
bag or, you know, dropped in your purse or in your coat pocket.

00:26:45.602 –> 00:26:50.982
You need to be aware so you can figure out what you might want to do to avoid a situation, right?

00:26:51.142 –> 00:26:54.722
Including, you know, installing and firing up some of these apps and running

00:26:54.722 –> 00:26:58.402
them from time to time, especially if you find yourself in a predicament like

00:26:58.402 –> 00:27:02.502
you are, where you’re not home, you’re traveling, you’re in some funky, strange hotel,

00:27:02.762 –> 00:27:06.942
whatever it is, just to be better prepared. And that’s really what it’s all about.

00:27:08.642 –> 00:27:12.362
Yeah, I mean, you summed it up about as well as anybody could.

00:27:13.182 –> 00:27:18.382
Like I said it’s not a thing of fear it’s just being aware that the reality

00:27:18.382 –> 00:27:21.962
of the world that we live in is the world that we live in and there are people

00:27:21.962 –> 00:27:26.762
that aren’t good people man and you may cross them for any rhyme or reason and

00:27:26.762 –> 00:27:29.002
just to have any type of situational awareness,

00:27:29.642 –> 00:27:32.322
and maybe just even a back in

00:27:32.322 –> 00:27:35.502
the back deepest part of your mind plan in case something happens

00:27:35.502 –> 00:27:38.382
you know booby trapping and checking and trying

00:27:38.382 –> 00:27:41.342
to trap no no no no just being aware and they know don’t

00:27:41.342 –> 00:27:44.362
do anything leave everybody leave everybody alone i’m totally with

00:27:44.362 –> 00:27:47.142
that team let’s do that just stop messing with me

00:27:47.142 –> 00:27:50.122
and i’ll stop messing with you and everybody’s good and happy leave me

00:27:50.122 –> 00:27:52.962
alone but yeah man i’m telling

00:27:52.962 –> 00:27:57.962
you i don’t i do it i have zero desire to ever do any of that stuff man i just

00:27:57.962 –> 00:28:02.062
you know i know how to do it it’s cool but i don’t ever want to have to do that

00:28:02.062 –> 00:28:06.682
i don’t think that it did to be put into that situation is not a sexy thing

00:28:06.682 –> 00:28:11.302
i know they romanticize it in the movies and things, but I don’t find it appealing at all.

00:28:11.382 –> 00:28:14.542
I don’t think Mexican people, like I said, the golden rule is you treat people

00:28:14.542 –> 00:28:17.962
the way you want to be treated, man. And you handle yourself with some grace and some reverence.

00:28:18.322 –> 00:28:21.982
You know, you’re grateful around people. And you’re wearing reverences when

00:28:21.982 –> 00:28:24.322
you’re aware that there’s other people. We’re all sharing the planet, man.

00:28:25.142 –> 00:28:28.862
We’re sharing the same neighborhoods. We’re sharing our time right now talking about the situation.

00:28:29.342 –> 00:28:33.182
You know, we’re everybody sharing everything. So, you know, don’t feel like

00:28:33.182 –> 00:28:37.622
you’re entitled to what I’ve robbed on, Or you have some right to impose your will upon me.

00:28:37.902 –> 00:28:41.702
I don’t dig that, man. No one should be imposing their will on anybody else.

00:28:41.762 –> 00:28:45.002
That’s the worst thing that a human can do to another human. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

00:28:45.827 –> 00:28:48.167
And that’s what we’re talking about. We’re not talking about,

00:28:48.327 –> 00:28:52.127
but sometimes you need a good guy to go smite out the bad ones.

00:28:52.207 –> 00:28:55.627
And that’s the reality of it. There’s a person that they say, what do they say?

00:28:57.027 –> 00:29:00.227
To be a dangerous person, you have to be a, or to be a good person,

00:29:00.307 –> 00:29:01.907
you have to be a dangerous person. Absolutely.

00:29:02.307 –> 00:29:05.567
Right? They say that. Absolutely. It’s not that you, right.

00:29:05.707 –> 00:29:11.107
If you’re a good person and you’re not capable of any danger or you’re not able.

00:29:11.107 –> 00:29:13.167
To do anything to anybody, you’re just falling in line maybe.

00:29:13.167 –> 00:29:16.107
You know but a dangerous person walks around and treats

00:29:16.107 –> 00:29:18.827
you know and treats people well and it doesn’t use it

00:29:18.827 –> 00:29:21.767
as a crush to lean upon that’s a good person man

00:29:21.767 –> 00:29:24.427
sometimes you need a dangerous good person to go out here and

00:29:24.427 –> 00:29:27.447
take care of a dangerous bad person and that that’s what

00:29:27.447 –> 00:29:30.227
it’s boiled down to in my opinion you know what i’m saying so what the

00:29:30.227 –> 00:29:33.047
call of it is is to everybody who’s a good but you know

00:29:33.047 –> 00:29:35.707
good person who’s a dangerous person man help out in the

00:29:35.707 –> 00:29:38.467
community a little bit pass it out talk to people let

00:29:38.467 –> 00:29:41.587
them know hey be aware this is going on help

00:29:41.587 –> 00:29:44.827
inform folks and yeah what’s that

00:29:44.827 –> 00:29:47.967
help inform folks if nothing else exactly

00:29:47.967 –> 00:29:50.767
exactly exactly if nothing else that’s the

00:29:50.767 –> 00:29:54.187
belief that’s the bare minimum that we should pay for this exactly you

00:29:54.187 –> 00:29:57.127
know and that’s when i appreciate you bringing me on to talk about

00:29:57.127 –> 00:30:00.707
it you know and you see i got passionate about it i

00:30:00.707 –> 00:30:04.307
was getting into it a little bit no it’s it’s it’s great

00:30:04.307 –> 00:30:07.907
and it could have gone sideways it could have been something nefarious

00:30:07.907 –> 00:30:10.887
you know who knows how you got

00:30:10.887 –> 00:30:13.627
that tracker maybe it was just left in the hotel in the room

00:30:13.627 –> 00:30:16.687
next to you and you got sent the notice because it

00:30:16.687 –> 00:30:19.547
got you know it was left unattended for

00:30:19.547 –> 00:30:25.307
an extended period of time maybe there was no intent but the thing about it

00:30:25.307 –> 00:30:29.547
was it was downward no because the thing about that i thought about that and

00:30:29.547 –> 00:30:33.747
the thing about that was it was it was picked up down in the place where i was

00:30:33.747 –> 00:30:37.047
eating at so that was what was odd about i don’t know if there was a glitch

00:30:37.047 –> 00:30:38.747
or what it was I really don’t know.

00:30:39.267 –> 00:30:42.707
But it was something that was going on around me.

00:30:42.947 –> 00:30:45.907
You know, that’s all I know. And it wasn’t like in the hotel because it was,

00:30:46.267 –> 00:30:48.347
it showed my path where I drove at.

00:30:48.996 –> 00:30:51.436
You know what I’m saying? It showed exactly where I was. Not even this little

00:30:51.436 –> 00:30:53.716
stupid turnaround I had to do. I did that.

00:30:54.036 –> 00:30:58.136
You know? I don’t really, I’m not going to claim to know what exactly it happened. I don’t know.

00:30:58.436 –> 00:31:04.036
Yeah. I can tell you what I did. But it sounds like it was definitely with you and it was not yours.

00:31:04.436 –> 00:31:09.456
And you were unaware until luckily your app on your Apple, because you do have an Apple.

00:31:09.476 –> 00:31:14.536
I have an Android, but you do have the iPhone, which enables you to see pretty

00:31:14.536 –> 00:31:17.696
easily now, at least, when you’re being.

00:31:18.236 –> 00:31:25.196
When something is, when, when, uh, when an air tag that is not yours is in near your person.

00:31:26.456 –> 00:31:30.396
Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Hey, uh, that’s a good way to put it. Yeah, man.

00:31:30.916 –> 00:31:34.576
Yeah. So yeah, that’s, that’s the, that was the situation. So yeah,

00:31:34.576 –> 00:31:37.436
I don’t know what to make of it. I know that the rabbit hole is deep though.

00:31:37.656 –> 00:31:39.816
Yeah. It goes really, really, really deep.

00:31:40.236 –> 00:31:47.896
But this is just a part of it. Well, I think, like I said, helping get awareness out there is key.

00:31:48.136 –> 00:31:51.696
And then, you know, for listeners, you know, thinking about these things,

00:31:51.896 –> 00:31:56.136
making yourself aware, educating yourself a little bit and getting that preparation,

00:31:56.516 –> 00:31:59.976
you know, that preparedness plan in place for yourself and thinking through

00:31:59.976 –> 00:32:01.716
those scenarios and what you might do.

00:32:02.797 –> 00:32:08.097
And just as a general, and I’m like you, I don’t claim to be an expert about

00:32:08.097 –> 00:32:09.677
these trackers any state.

00:32:09.797 –> 00:32:13.117
I mean, like I said, one of my buddies has one in his wallet and that’s about

00:32:13.117 –> 00:32:14.517
all I know and on his keys.

00:32:14.777 –> 00:32:20.357
But, you know, I think it would behoove everyone to go and educate themselves

00:32:20.357 –> 00:32:25.757
a little bit about what the possibilities with these things are and then decide

00:32:25.757 –> 00:32:28.417
for themselves if they want to use them themselves,

00:32:29.017 –> 00:32:34.377
or what they may want to do to try to better protect themselves from them if

00:32:34.377 –> 00:32:39.077
they think that’s a potential threat for them and their lifestyle, right,

00:32:39.637 –> 00:32:41.997
or what they have going on. Yeah.

00:32:42.897 –> 00:32:48.657
Yes, you’ve got younger daughters and stuff and younger kids,

00:32:48.757 –> 00:32:51.817
any of that stuff, you should definitely make yourself aware of it.

00:32:52.777 –> 00:32:57.097
You hear the mutterings in the background about what you know,

00:32:57.237 –> 00:33:00.097
petitions going on with people missing and things like that, you know?

00:33:00.297 –> 00:33:04.017
So yeah, definitely in that situation and yourself, yeah, you’re a hundred percent right now.

00:33:04.137 –> 00:33:06.397
I was adding that little piece in there, you know, but yeah,

00:33:06.457 –> 00:33:09.617
everything that you said, you summed that up about as little as anybody possibly could have.

00:33:10.417 –> 00:33:15.377
And I do want to say too, because, you know, again, I’m not an expert and I’ve

00:33:15.377 –> 00:33:17.397
only done a little bit of research on this.

00:33:17.577 –> 00:33:24.777
We’re not implying that this is a, a huge pandemic of technology being used

00:33:24.777 –> 00:33:27.537
in a nefarious manners, Like like a lot of things, you know,

00:33:27.617 –> 00:33:32.557
we’re very fortunate in that bad things happen a very small fraction of the time.

00:33:32.737 –> 00:33:37.177
Right. So this isn’t like some large scaled widespread thing that’s going on,

00:33:37.257 –> 00:33:39.757
but it is happening and you do need to be aware of it.

00:33:40.853 –> 00:33:43.573
Chris, I appreciate you coming on and talking to me about it.

00:33:43.733 –> 00:33:48.793
I think this is good info that folks need to be aware of so they can make decisions for themselves.

00:33:49.653 –> 00:33:51.413
Can’t do it if you don’t know, right?

00:33:52.333 –> 00:33:56.433
Yeah, man. Yeah, it was good. It was a good conversation. It actually felt good

00:33:56.433 –> 00:33:57.713
to vent that off my chest.

00:33:59.093 –> 00:34:02.293
It made me feel so much better about the whole situation.

00:34:02.453 –> 00:34:05.593
Well, you know, I could tell, and I don’t want to say rattled your cage,

00:34:05.813 –> 00:34:10.113
but I could tell that you were passionate about it and kind of fired up when it happened to you.

00:34:10.113 –> 00:34:13.013
And rightfully so like what is this thing what is

00:34:13.013 –> 00:34:16.053
going on what is this alert on my phone am

00:34:16.053 –> 00:34:19.193
i being tracked i’m out of town i’m in a hotel like am

00:34:19.193 –> 00:34:21.993
i gonna have am i gonna wake up in the bathtub with a kidney

00:34:21.993 –> 00:34:25.353
missing or you know you

00:34:25.353 –> 00:34:28.773
never know no you do yeah no rattled

00:34:28.773 –> 00:34:31.553
cage rattled was accurate that you couldn’t have said it

00:34:31.553 –> 00:34:34.513
much better i’m sorry i i’m not that tough man i

00:34:34.513 –> 00:34:37.453
didn’t want that in my life you know what i mean oh no i hear

00:34:37.453 –> 00:34:40.313
you so yeah it rattled it rattled my kid but

00:34:40.313 –> 00:34:44.813
yeah so it got it in my crawl well hopefully we’ve gotten this story out and

00:34:44.813 –> 00:34:51.153
this info out you know fewer people will be hopefully not quite as rattled maybe

00:34:51.153 –> 00:34:57.613
with this information righteous yeah yeah i appreciate you chris thanks so much

00:34:57.613 –> 00:34:59.573
thanks for having me bye man.