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Music.

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Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Self-Initiative Project Podcast.

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I’m your host, Jim O’Brien. Hello, and welcome to episode 32.

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Today, I’ve got my good friend, Tony Tran, with the Necromaker on with us.

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And we’re going to be talking about tools that we can take into non-permissible

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environments. Tony, how are you?

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I am doing great. Thanks for having me, Jim. You betcha. You know,

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when you reached out and said you wanted to do this, I was like, absolutely.

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The whole NPE non-permissible environment tool thing has got me intrigued,

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and I’ve got a few myself, and I totally get it.

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But I thought, wow, this would be a great opportunity to get some information

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out there for the public and kind of give them a sense of what it is and what it’s for.

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But before we get into all of that, let’s talk about you.

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I know this is uncomfortable for some people, but let’s talk about you,

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your history, your background, how you got in this, and who you are. Oh.

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So, this is a problem. I run a speech under the nickname The Necro Maker. Here we go on to.

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I think that Kayleigh went into places where they’re not clear,

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that I’m just a student to.

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You know, with some place in here, I think that might tell. I wonder.

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So, the experimentation led with the original Necro.

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Which are people who don’t have a resilient impregnated material completely non-profit Yeah.

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And they use tins for a lot of stuff, right?

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They use it for knife grips and handles. It’s not just, I mean,

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we’re kind of using it for a lot of different things these days, right?

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So it’s actually used for a multitude of things where you need to think that

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it’s very strong. It is impact resistant.

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And you’ll probably agree. But there is a difference between the entire function

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rate and the use of C-tron in the other cases in the nature.

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Specifically in the electrical field. Because C-tron itself is a non-final system

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procedure. You can literally have a lifeline sitting inside.

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I believe you call it Dr. G. Pundit. You can hold it to both hands. You will not be shocked.

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Because this material is not going to be handled.

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You know, that’s interesting. I’d never heard that before. As a matter of fact,

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just as a sidebar note, not that it has any relevance today,

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but I’m in the midst for studying for my amateur radio license.

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And one of the questions on there is what makes a great insulator for electricity?

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And, of course, the answer is glass.

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But it’s interesting that G10 hasn’t worked its way into being an option for that.

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It seems like at least not in an official capacity. So that’s good to know.

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If you can use glass, but you need something more in that position,

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you can probably plug it to G10.

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So what made you get into this? Did you have friends asking about it?

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Was it just something you were interested in from the get-go?

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Like, how did you get involved in figuring out that this is something that you wanted to do?

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Again, it started off as a presentation. You know, I saw some tours out there

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specifically, and, you know, some of them were out of my place range,

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so I figured, you know, the things that I needed to make, why couldn’t I?

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So I ended up listening to the first generation of the necklace.

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I go to the city, because it’s a film, basically, as a new material.

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And from there, I kind of started explaining to the first time,

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And this is a mentally growing market for Nazis that, you know,

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people have concealed anything.

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So it kind of seemed like a little bit more than giving them friends and family

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the word to get out that, hey, you know, this guy’s making some food.

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And so I finally got my process dialed down and I said, to fill them in the formative.

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And, you know, long door sort, you can be doing it for a room now, though.

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Nice. Nice. And so I know you said you started out with the Necro-Sprike.

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What made you decide to go the route of the pens? Was it for disguising the

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tool purposes, or was there another reason behind that?

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No, nothing’s clear even. When you’re part of it, you see something in the pen.

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And it always raises a little flag in the back of your mind.

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So let’s go, for example, walking a person walk down a street with a pen in the end.

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You’ll probably notice it, but you’ve got to think twice about it.

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Now, let’s say you see that same person walking down that same street,

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and for whatever reason, they’re walking around a street driver or a hammer.

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The ability to get that little red flag in your mind is telling you, wait, this is not okay.

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So the original reason I wanted to, again, go with the microbiome,

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with specifically for a quick deal of money, the ability to basically have an in-plane site.

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So let’s talk about this whole concept of NPE and what that is.

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So as I mentioned earlier, it’s non-permissible environments,

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but I have to stop there real quick.

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I did want to ask you, how did you come up with the name with the Necromaker?

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Actually, a recommendation. We were kind of joking. I listen to you,

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I talk to her on the phone.

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She told me, you know.

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I know you call me the what do you mean? You know what I mean? You are the neck of me.

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It just worked. Just into the foot.

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It just, it went out of the blue and, you know, for the past couple years,

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she built smoke and we didn’t work for me. Yeah.

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So NPE, non-permissible environments for the folks that are out there that might

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not be familiar with that, what are we talking about exactly?

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Like, what are some examples?

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Well, a bunch of examples. I’m going to start off with a very broad definition.

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Yes. So, again, and this is just my explanation, but what a non-permissible

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environment is, is how it is up to people is what investment you go into where you have,

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sort of protection and there’s no immediate sort of feedback.

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Basically, Nobody watching after you, and there’s no immediate way to get out of that situation.

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So a couple of decades ago, you know, we’re going to get out of that situation.

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Well, here it’s the Falcons, you know.

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Yeah, it was the Falcons, yeah. Or the Bayou.

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Right, right. So, yeah, for some people, I would just read that a non-publical illness.

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You don’t have an external person

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protection. You don’t have an immediate textbook. understand you know.

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It’s on you to plan how you get in and it’s on you to plan how you get out and you’ve got yeah,

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And there’s a couple of, I guess in my mind, there’s a couple of layers to the

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whole NPE and what tools you might be able to bring into an NPE,

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a non-permissible environment.

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You know, we’re going to be talking in terms of tools that look less suspicious

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and aren’t necessarily detectable by the typical metal detectors and things like that.

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But a non-permissible environment just may mean that maybe you went somewhere

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and couldn’t carry a gun with you or a knife with you.

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So you’ve got to wait until you

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get into that area and be able to find something and pick it up, right?

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Whether it be a knife or a screwdriver or something like that. Yes, exactly.

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I can imagine right now. I just process them.

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They’re always asking me things like, you know, how would I use an empty tool?

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And really, it’s not the mindset that goes into where you’re going and how you

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have to carry yourself about, not so much the tool.

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So one thing that’s most complicated for you is, you know, you have to be able

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to defend yourself for pretty much everything you can.

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Everything around you is a weapon and can be used as a weapon,

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be it a school driver, a hammer, a frozen apple.

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Right. Yeah, the frozen apple, that just makes it a little more challenging to carry.

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So, you know, ideally we’re, but that’s the point of these tools,

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right, is to make things that are less suspicious or non-suspicious,

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but still give you a literally, and hopefully not, but literally a fighting chance, right?

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Yes. Yes, I think exactly. with, you know.

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With my… Wow. Transparency comes a person that you… So, some users went

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to the successful egress out of the situation.

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And this is the one basically being… Now, we’re restricted to a young man. She only…

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But she used it to great effect to start into somebody’s friend who was trans sexually a person.

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Which would be… But that will be a point to see what’s charged.

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Anything to see what you would get people with tomorrow, I don’t say. Yeah, absolutely.

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So just kind of going out of order here, and I know we kind of talked about things ahead of time.

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So what really makes a good NPE, do you think? What is it special about an MPE

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tool versus the things that we would normally carry or have available at our disposal?

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Question and again I have a very different definition

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a lot of things to a virtual man

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but I think that’s a great competing

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tool compared to anything else is when complete lack of sophistication basically

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to describe you’re not busy around you need a lot of training this is something

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that you should be able to pick up and basically put to risk almost immediately

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what I tell people is feeling super good.

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This is, as soon as I’m in the core as you can say, you should be able to pick,

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the root instinct should be able to tell you, okay, this is how I need to hold

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it, and this is how I need to use it. Yeah.

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So, basically, that NPE tool will be used.

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So then, the root instinct is, one, it’s a signature, and two, it’s a valid signature.

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And then the three is being concealed. Can you kill these tools in situations

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where it might be easily found, or can it be discreetly figured without rousing attention?

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And that’s another aspect of non-permissible environments that people don’t

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seem to keep in mind all the time that I try to accept the child.

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Most of the time, it’s all a tool that, you know, somebody was trying to look

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at them, not to the second look at us.

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That’s what I think the three big hallmarks have a good MP to it.

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And I know when I was thinking about originally, when we first started talking

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about doing this podcast together, I was thinking about, you know,

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it’s not just any tool made out of any material to look and appear innocuous.

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Like you have to be cautious because G10 is not detectable by the giant metal

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detectors that they have outside of sport venues and concert venues these days are the wands,

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but something like carbon fiber can be.

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So you can’t just do NPE tools out of anything, right?

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I mean, again, if you’re going somewhere and you weren’t able to carry what

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you need or want with you, then you have to wait to where you’re going and then

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figure out what you want to do.

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And then, you know, purchase that screwdriver, purchase that fruit knife,

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whatever it’s going to be. But as far as making or purchasing a tool specifically for NPE.

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You don’t want to just make them out of anything, right? Exactly true.

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100% on the nose, Jim. Great point.

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There are some makers, myself included in this group, who actually do go out

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of their way to source the materials from companies specifically on the material.

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One example, the company that I work with to get my teeth in,

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they asked not to be named.

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I was in touch with them actually a couple weeks before they decided,

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you know it looks out to you and it was actually what i

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think was pretty big of a screen you know hey i want to know how you impregnate

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your fiberglass i want to know what kind of resin you use i want to know the

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treating process i want to know the depression process and there’s some people

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at the right street that’s not the thing that’s just thinking to find that first time it had to roll,

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yeah not all tools are created equal the big tagline up one phrase i’ve used

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a lot recently is i don’t know i only try to be the best.

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Yeah yeah well we like to think so right yeah

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and so we talked about you know the pins

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and markers is kind of like the perfect disguise for this g10 tool underneath

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so to speak right it helps blend in you know if you’re going to a concert you

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might expect several folks to have sharpie markers if nothing else to grab the

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autograph of somebody they may bump into where while at that venue,

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And I don’t know where I was going with that other than to say,

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I feel like an audience that really should have an opportunity to grab these

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tools or be aware of these tools being available to them are women, right?

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And, you know, what comes to mind, all joking aside, even though it’s kind of

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funny, like to me, the earliest NPE tool for a woman is a high heel shoe, right?

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Yep, actually. And if you were to look into it, or if any of your listeners

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were to look into it, they would actually be able to find that some of the NPE

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tools that originated from one,

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three, and two were actually concealed in shoes, specifically in high heel, those three. Yeah.

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Yeah. And so for women, I feel like this whole concept of NPE tools is very appropriate.

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And, you know, they don’t have to worry about carrying a knife that they may

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not be comfortable with or familiar with. They don’t have to worry about necessarily

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having to learn or carry a firearm.

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I’m not saying whether or not they should or should not, but these tools give

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them options to be able to defend themselves in spaces or areas they may feel

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like they don’t have any other options in.

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And I think that’s a good thing. I mean, we just, you just talked about how

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a woman fended off a potential sexual attack or in, you know,

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a sexual attack, I guess, as it was with, with an MPE tool, one of your, one of your markers.

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But I feel like there’s, this is a, an opportunity for women to learn about

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these sorts of things and understand what’s available to them.

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So they know they have options for things that.

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You know, aren’t necessarily things that they would otherwise not be comfortable

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with. Does that make sense?

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That makes sense. And again, the original point, even previously,

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why I decided to go with my case, you know.

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I can literally stop anything in the street and, you know, strike a conversation

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and I can ask them, we should be comfortable carrying this.

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And I can hand them my daddy sharpies. and I would say 95% of the time I would

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just say I would carry that, I could carry that I want to carry that you know

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I put something that looks more,

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nefarious, something more that looks like an actual ice pick or an actual blade

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or you know bludgeon, things like that,

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you ask anybody would you carry this, would you carry that.

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Some very athensis movie like a marker

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you know one it gives them that sense of comfort

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man oh i already know this is and then two again

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you’re giving them the fighting tent you’re giving them extra edge

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the extra little push to hopefully get them

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to the situation they don’t want to be in yeah and something like to your point

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you made earlier i think you know something like a pen or a marker you know

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it’s not rocket science to figure out that if you had to employ that item as

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a weapon as an improvised weapon And you don’t have to think about it.

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You don’t have to go through a lot of training to know this is how I use,

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this is how I’d use a pen or a marker in a defensive manner, right?

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It’s very easy. Obviously, I’m going to stab it.

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That’s what I do. So it takes away all the sweat of having to figure out how

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to use it and how best to use it.

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You might want to think about where to stab somebody at. But the point is that

00:17:57.802 –> 00:18:00.742
using the tool is pretty straightforward at the end of the day.

00:18:01.787 –> 00:18:07.147
Yes, it’s, um, I try to keep that and make, um, you know, very simple to the end user.

00:18:07.647 –> 00:18:12.027
You basically, what I tell you, you get ready for, for you.

00:18:12.527 –> 00:18:15.887
And then two, you make your defensive attack. That’s pretty much it.

00:18:15.947 –> 00:18:18.167
It’s a very straightforward linear type of thinking.

00:18:18.807 –> 00:18:23.067
Wow. You know, I always advocate for the response that citizen is always,

00:18:23.067 –> 00:18:29.727
always, you know, in those instances where you’re trying to be rushing.

00:18:29.727 –> 00:18:33.287
You may, you know, lose some type of cognitive thought. You’re going to lose

00:18:33.287 –> 00:18:34.427
to the best thought process.

00:18:34.707 –> 00:18:37.907
A lot of people talk about the losses, what they call kids, because you’re in

00:18:37.907 –> 00:18:40.327
slow, losses, high motor, those people.

00:18:41.047 –> 00:18:45.127
You know, these tools are completely correct. Again, you should be able to put

00:18:45.127 –> 00:18:46.767
these up, and these are caveman tools.

00:18:47.007 –> 00:18:50.347
As simple as it gets, you pick it up, your instinct tells you this is how you

00:18:50.347 –> 00:18:53.487
hold it, and your instinct tells you this is how you’re going to use it.

00:18:54.667 –> 00:18:58.927
Yeah, and you make a really good point there, because we know under stress,

00:18:58.927 –> 00:19:01.287
you lose fine motor skills.

00:19:01.287 –> 00:19:05.747
And if you had to grab something like a fat marker, you know,

00:19:05.847 –> 00:19:08.587
that’s not so hard to do because you’re not picking it up with your fingers.

00:19:08.587 –> 00:19:10.427
You’re just grabbing the thing, right?

00:19:10.567 –> 00:19:14.527
And you lose your fine motor skills. You get tunnel visual vision.

00:19:14.667 –> 00:19:19.707
You have auditory exclusion and something you touched on just a second ago is

00:19:19.707 –> 00:19:23.967
I read, and I’ve mentioned this before in my podcast, and I wish I could find

00:19:23.967 –> 00:19:27.847
the source, but I read somewhere years ago that you actually,

00:19:28.207 –> 00:19:31.887
your IQ can actually drop down to 70.

00:19:32.998 –> 00:19:36.038
You know, because things just go out the window, right? You kind of,

00:19:36.158 –> 00:19:41.358
if you’ve ever been in a scary, bad situation, you kind of understand that, right?

00:19:41.458 –> 00:19:44.758
Because you’re just on, what do they call it? Lizard brain, right?

00:19:45.218 –> 00:19:52.478
And so, yeah, having a tool that you can just grab and go, there’s a lot of advantages to that.

00:19:53.118 –> 00:20:00.138
Oh, yeah. I actually have been a victim of teeth-decker mugging.

00:20:00.138 –> 00:20:14.558
At one point, I wasn’t thinking clearly.

00:20:14.778 –> 00:20:16.838
It was just, what did I do? What did I do?

00:20:18.178 –> 00:20:23.858
And then thankfully, very simple, like the stabby-stabby, let the neck go spike.

00:20:24.038 –> 00:20:25.458
We don’t require a lot of training.

00:20:25.658 –> 00:20:29.938
I would always advise you want to practice and train any chance you get with something you can.

00:20:33.658 –> 00:20:42.498
Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, obviously we’ve kind of hinted that the concept of

00:20:42.498 –> 00:20:46.618
non-permissible environment tools have been around for a while.

00:20:46.818 –> 00:20:53.758
And, you know, we even mentioned high hills, which I think personally is a great example of an MPE tool.

00:20:53.978 –> 00:20:56.938
But let’s talk about the history of MPE.

00:20:57.198 –> 00:21:01.438
I mean, this isn’t really at the end of the day. yeah, we’re doing markers and

00:21:01.438 –> 00:21:08.718
pins and things like that, but the concept of an NPE weapon or tool is not new, is it?

00:21:09.349 –> 00:21:12.289
It’s really not so you know we can talk

00:21:12.289 –> 00:21:15.469
at length about you know different groups of society and people

00:21:15.469 –> 00:21:18.069
who you know went into harm’s way using you know

00:21:18.069 –> 00:21:20.949
unconventional items in self-defense or

00:21:20.949 –> 00:21:25.049
you know in attacks but uh we’re just going to touch on some very big notable

00:21:25.049 –> 00:21:29.709
groups so we can start in antiquity with a group of assassins you know they

00:21:29.709 –> 00:21:35.989
were very zealous jesuit assassins called the sakari and they’re actually they

00:21:35.989 –> 00:21:38.269
were actually the originators of the term cloak and dagger.

00:21:38.949 –> 00:21:41.749
So what they would actually carry was called a seatbelt, which was basically

00:21:41.749 –> 00:21:44.049
a modified long dagger or a foot sword.

00:21:44.349 –> 00:21:49.809
And they would conceal them in cloaks, which time was involved for a man to

00:21:49.809 –> 00:21:51.149
walk around with a cloak.

00:21:51.329 –> 00:21:54.749
So they could sneak into a crowd. They can find their target.

00:21:54.909 –> 00:21:56.909
They can act on their target, and they could disappear.

00:21:59.249 –> 00:22:04.189
So they blend right in. Very much so. They just kind of, nobody knew who they were.

00:22:05.629 –> 00:22:09.609
Just because they looked like, you know, the everyday Roman citizen,

00:22:09.849 –> 00:22:11.609
because in reality, they were.

00:22:12.629 –> 00:22:18.829
And then we can talk about an East Indian cult.

00:22:19.149 –> 00:22:22.409
And what they would do was, they would come to the soldiers,

00:22:22.709 –> 00:22:27.709
and in the night, they would actually strangle them using very rudimentary nooses

00:22:27.709 –> 00:22:33.209
or galats, which were actually concealed as something that they were carrying,

00:22:33.469 –> 00:22:37.869
you know, in the mindset it was, you know, this is part of our ritual and this

00:22:37.869 –> 00:22:40.209
is what we’re going to use because it’s what we have.

00:22:41.325 –> 00:22:45.205
Mm-hmm. Now, of course, we can’t talk about non-permissible environment tools,

00:22:45.205 –> 00:22:51.425
but that’s what I think is probably the notorious group of individuals who need a Japanese ninja.

00:22:51.705 –> 00:22:55.945
I was going to say, it’s got to be the ninja. I mean, there’s the other group

00:22:55.945 –> 00:23:00.225
more famous for NPE devices and tools, right? They were masters.

00:23:00.365 –> 00:23:31.265
Oh, yes. Mm-hmm. They

00:23:31.265 –> 00:23:36.205
would turn sickles used to harvest rice into weapons as what they would call the makama.

00:23:36.445 –> 00:23:42.205
They would turn tree climbing pools into what they would call the tepokagi, cat claws.

00:23:42.985 –> 00:23:47.705
And it actually became so prevalent that there’s an actual entire group devoted

00:23:47.705 –> 00:23:51.805
to the art drawing the sword from innocuous positions called iaijutsu.

00:23:52.085 –> 00:23:55.485
One of the main tools in iaijutsu is actually the shirisaya sword.

00:23:55.765 –> 00:23:59.645
It’s basically a sword that’s concealed to look like a stick or a cane.

00:24:00.725 –> 00:24:04.605
Notably the most famous user of that is the cell character named Dr.

00:24:04.705 –> 00:24:12.525
Weeke, the Blind Swordsman yep it’s a great movie too very great movie and he’s

00:24:12.525 –> 00:24:17.645
got that character as I don’t know, a hundred movies since I was a child.

00:24:19.085 –> 00:24:23.065
And then just to kind of add it in a little bit and then if we were to go more

00:24:23.065 –> 00:24:26.685
into modern times then we have other groups such as the OSS,

00:24:26.825 –> 00:24:28.645
the Office of Strategic services.

00:24:30.325 –> 00:24:35.605
These men and women are metaphors of the top as well and there’s many modern

00:24:35.605 –> 00:24:37.625
reproductions of them as well but you know,

00:24:38.185 –> 00:24:41.165
if we were to talk about some of the tools that they were making using,

00:24:41.345 –> 00:24:45.385
we’re talking lapel daggers, these are little knives that they literally fit

00:24:45.385 –> 00:24:49.605
into the lapels of their jackets and their shirts they would make basically

00:24:49.605 –> 00:24:52.265
stagg spiked stilettos, out of farm tools.

00:24:53.785 –> 00:24:58.565
Switch forks You were talking about black knuckles that could be easily concealed

00:24:58.565 –> 00:25:00.045
into a back pocket or jacket.

00:25:00.585 –> 00:25:05.265
You were talking about various and various tools.

00:25:05.765 –> 00:25:09.125
You know, items that could be concealed in wooden tobacco pipes.

00:25:09.385 –> 00:25:12.405
You know, guns that could actually be concealed inside of a glove.

00:25:12.565 –> 00:25:16.645
You know, various, various other firearms and braided weapons as well.

00:25:16.725 –> 00:25:19.285
But we’re just going to touch on the big draw guns there.

00:25:19.925 –> 00:25:25.525
And then there’s also, so they’re probably listening to CIA. Yeah.

00:25:26.301 –> 00:25:29.261
We don’t know much about what they carry or what they’re using,

00:25:29.501 –> 00:25:32.761
but we do know for a fact that a lot of their tools and their methodologies

00:25:32.761 –> 00:25:38.681
now have put them off from the LFS, from a lot of these ancient and SSF organizations.

00:25:39.021 –> 00:25:42.341
You know, stabbing implements that are hidden in everyday items,

00:25:42.361 –> 00:25:46.841
like a smoking pipe, like a marker, like in a high-heeled shoe.

00:25:47.261 –> 00:25:51.021
You know, brass knuckles that are made out of non-flesh materials that are hidden

00:25:51.021 –> 00:25:57.261
in briefcases inside or outside of. or locks that are hidden inside of actual

00:25:57.261 –> 00:26:00.241
watches or inside the headline of jeans.

00:26:00.581 –> 00:26:04.381
And again, we can talk at length about all these groups and all their tools,

00:26:04.561 –> 00:26:06.481
but I think so somebody’s going to fall asleep.

00:26:08.601 –> 00:26:15.701
Right. So, you know, you kind of touched on this, or I should say I picked up

00:26:15.701 –> 00:26:18.901
on this talking about the history of NPE tools.

00:26:19.961 –> 00:26:23.101
It has as much or

00:26:23.101 –> 00:26:26.521
more to do about the method of concealment really

00:26:26.521 –> 00:26:29.581
than it does material but the reason why

00:26:29.581 –> 00:26:33.781
material has become equally you

00:26:33.781 –> 00:26:38.281
know as important as the method of concealment is because now we have technology

00:26:38.281 –> 00:26:43.121
and tools that can detect things like yeah you might be able to hide a sword

00:26:43.121 –> 00:26:47.761
in a cloak normally but you’re not walking through this device and it getting

00:26:47.761 –> 00:26:50.361
picked up on without it getting picked up on.

00:26:50.501 –> 00:26:54.241
And, you know, with that being said, even tools that are made from materials

00:26:54.241 –> 00:26:59.341
like G10, you’re going to make it through a metal detector, right?

00:26:59.481 –> 00:27:02.421
But you’re not necessarily going to make it through an x-ray machine either

00:27:02.421 –> 00:27:04.821
way. So you still have to be cognizant of that.

00:27:04.981 –> 00:27:10.841
But making it from materials like G10 just gives you more of an opportunity

00:27:10.841 –> 00:27:17.361
to be able to get that tool past any checkpoints that might be looking for something

00:27:17.361 –> 00:27:20.261
more nefarious or obvious, dare I say.

00:27:21.061 –> 00:27:26.201
Uh-huh. That’s actually a very good point, you know, especially with modern detection systems.

00:27:26.781 –> 00:27:29.461
You know, a lot of these tools that are coming out nowadays,

00:27:29.681 –> 00:27:34.441
again, from G10, from polycarbonates, from polyresins, they’re going to carry

00:27:34.441 –> 00:27:38.441
a non-agnetic signature, meaning they won’t be picked up in metal detectors

00:27:38.441 –> 00:27:40.661
or any type of metal detection system.

00:27:43.181 –> 00:27:46.941
A competent extra effect will be able to pick them up almost instantly.

00:27:47.181 –> 00:27:51.861
So, Ben, it’s, The construction of these tools is, you know,

00:27:51.941 –> 00:27:56.481
very much paramount now with the intended usage. Yeah.

00:27:57.719 –> 00:28:04.639
But, you know, just circling back to the female demographic for just a moment,

00:28:04.859 –> 00:28:08.839
you know, they get sold a lot of stuff, you know, whether it’s OC spray,

00:28:09.759 –> 00:28:12.059
you know, what is it, cubitans,

00:28:13.019 –> 00:28:15.159
blunt objects, things like that.

00:28:15.159 –> 00:28:21.299
When we talk about NPEs, non-permissive environments, we’re talking about environments

00:28:21.299 –> 00:28:26.239
that most likely are not going to allow you to walk in with those sorts of things,

00:28:26.259 –> 00:28:29.079
even if they’re dangling from your keychain, right, potentially.

00:28:29.519 –> 00:28:35.979
So there’s really good cause and really good reason for them to learn about

00:28:35.979 –> 00:28:40.599
and be interested in these sorts of NPE,

00:28:40.899 –> 00:28:44.659
G10, or whatever they are, base tools. I mean, is that?

00:28:45.339 –> 00:28:49.799
Yes, that is actually a very, very good point. You know, I have the mindset

00:28:49.799 –> 00:28:51.799
that everybody should be armed responsibly.

00:28:52.219 –> 00:28:56.859
You know, it doesn’t matter what path is like you came from or where you’re going.

00:28:57.079 –> 00:29:00.579
You should not be denied the chance to be able to defend yourself.

00:29:00.739 –> 00:29:04.899
And you should, at the very least, not be put in a situation where your life

00:29:04.899 –> 00:29:08.479
or the safety of others is going to be questioned and put into jeopardy.

00:29:08.819 –> 00:29:11.039
Yeah. And you can’t always wear high heels.

00:29:12.319 –> 00:29:15.679
Exactly. I know for sure, if I were to walk around with something concealed

00:29:15.679 –> 00:29:17.519
in high heels, I’d get a lot of weird looks.

00:29:17.659 –> 00:29:20.619
I’d say, why is he wearing high heels? Yeah, yeah.

00:29:21.279 –> 00:29:26.019
So I know before this, we talked about this briefly, but, you know,

00:29:26.819 –> 00:29:31.899
part of this notion of NPE tools is kind of their mystique.

00:29:31.899 –> 00:29:36.879
And I feel like, you know, it’s like you want people to know that there are

00:29:36.879 –> 00:29:41.699
these tools available to them that are really cool on a lot of different levels

00:29:41.699 –> 00:29:48.539
and allow them to still have the opportunity and a mechanism in which to defend themselves.

00:29:48.839 –> 00:29:52.939
But I feel like, you know, like we were talking about just a little while ago,

00:29:53.159 –> 00:29:58.279
like there’s this balance of, okay, well, how much of this information do you

00:29:58.279 –> 00:29:59.859
really put out there for.

00:30:00.798 –> 00:30:04.898
Because I feel like, okay, the more it’s talked about and the more it’s announced,

00:30:05.118 –> 00:30:09.958
how long do we have before these tools get found out?

00:30:10.078 –> 00:30:16.078
You can’t get through the football game or the concert without someone looking

00:30:16.078 –> 00:30:19.618
for your pins or whatever. It wasn’t that long ago.

00:30:19.998 –> 00:30:24.338
I can’t remember what concert it was, but it was somewhere here in Atlanta I went.

00:30:25.018 –> 00:30:30.118
And I made it through the metal detection and security. And I had a tool,

00:30:30.338 –> 00:30:33.818
I won’t say which one or whose it was, but I had a tool on me,

00:30:33.878 –> 00:30:36.358
but that’s not what they caught on to.

00:30:36.538 –> 00:30:40.238
They caught on to the fact that I was carrying a tourniquet in my back pocket.

00:30:40.758 –> 00:30:44.598
And it was really cool because the security, the one security guy that picked

00:30:44.598 –> 00:30:47.458
it up in my pocket, they’re like, what’s that?

00:30:47.598 –> 00:30:50.338
And the other guy was like, no, no, it’s fine. It’s just a tourniquet.

00:30:50.338 –> 00:30:58.658
So they were cool with that fact, but never were the wiser to the NPE tool that I was carrying.

00:30:58.798 –> 00:31:03.098
But it’s just a matter of time before these things get found out, right?

00:31:04.138 –> 00:31:06.038
Or what’s your thoughts there?

00:31:08.738 –> 00:31:11.518
I’m going to kind of break it into two parts.

00:31:13.938 –> 00:31:18.118
How long until these tools get found out? The information was already out there.

00:31:18.118 –> 00:31:23.278
You know, we live in a time now where information can literally be disseminated in seconds.

00:31:24.938 –> 00:31:25.338
You know.

00:31:27.578 –> 00:31:32.898
You’ll find it out, you know, by looking on your home computer,

00:31:33.098 –> 00:31:36.798
on your phone, you might be able to turn your head and there might be a TV around

00:31:36.798 –> 00:31:38.538
the corner and you’ll be able to learn about it.

00:31:38.858 –> 00:31:41.958
So to answer the first part of the question, the information is already out there.

00:31:42.098 –> 00:31:47.318
I think it’s just a matter of more people choosing to look for this information.

00:31:48.318 –> 00:31:51.358
Yeah, and I think you made an interesting point earlier, too.

00:31:52.462 –> 00:31:58.782
It’s the intent of the individual and how they carry themselves and how they present themselves.

00:31:59.082 –> 00:32:04.322
You know, it’s more about the behavior and things you’re looking for.

00:32:04.662 –> 00:32:09.362
You know, if someone’s got nefarious ideas or goals in mind,

00:32:09.522 –> 00:32:11.002
you know, how do you spot that, right?

00:32:11.102 –> 00:32:15.922
We’re talking about providing these tools and these tools being available to

00:32:15.922 –> 00:32:20.082
the responsible people, hopefully law-abiding folks.

00:32:20.602 –> 00:32:26.042
But it’s really more about the behavioral and profiling of behavior and what

00:32:26.042 –> 00:32:29.362
to look for versus worrying about the tool so much, right?

00:32:29.442 –> 00:32:34.222
A good person carrying a tool is not the same as someone with nefarious intentions

00:32:34.222 –> 00:32:36.302
carrying the same tool, right?

00:32:36.722 –> 00:32:38.782
Yes, that’s exactly it, though, Jim.

00:32:39.302 –> 00:32:43.862
So, you know, what I mean is the response to that citizen. It’s meant for,

00:32:43.862 –> 00:32:48.542
you know, the person who needs something in a place where they’re not allowed

00:32:48.542 –> 00:32:51.102
to carry, you know, a firearm or a knife.

00:32:51.522 –> 00:32:56.642
And again, you know, everything around you is innately a weapon and can be used as such.

00:32:57.842 –> 00:33:02.042
It’s more about, you know, the mindset of, you know, how I’m going to employ

00:33:02.042 –> 00:33:05.722
these things and then the behavior of the person employing those items.

00:33:05.942 –> 00:33:10.502
I wouldn’t say so if the tool is going to dictate how you’re going to behave.

00:33:10.502 –> 00:33:13.082
It’s more of, what’s the end goal?

00:33:13.262 –> 00:33:17.242
Are you trying to take something around for, you know, your own personal safety?

00:33:17.502 –> 00:33:22.862
Or are you, hmm, lack of net jab who’s coming because you’re trying to kill

00:33:22.862 –> 00:33:25.022
out some other, you know, deal with things?

00:33:25.462 –> 00:33:29.642
Yeah. Well, Tony, this has been good. I was anxious to get this,

00:33:29.802 –> 00:33:33.902
to do this podcast with you to talk about this because this is a subject that

00:33:33.902 –> 00:33:35.722
I have growing interest around.

00:33:35.722 –> 00:33:39.502
And I’ve collected up quite a few different things over the years.

00:33:39.502 –> 00:33:42.862
And it’s good to finally be able to talk to someone about it.

00:33:42.942 –> 00:33:45.022
So I appreciate you coming on and talking to me.

00:33:45.562 –> 00:33:48.122
Appreciate you very much for having me on. Yeah, absolutely.

00:33:48.562 –> 00:33:50.302
So how can people find you?

00:33:52.002 –> 00:33:55.642
Well, at the moment, you know, I’m still in the process of, you know,

00:33:55.762 –> 00:33:58.582
relocating and getting everything set up for my final move.

00:33:58.762 –> 00:34:02.682
But I am available online on Instagram at The Necro Maker.

00:34:04.262 –> 00:34:06.762
You know, that’s the only way that you’re able to find me right now.

00:34:06.762 –> 00:34:11.582
But in time, I will have a YouTube channel set up and I will have a website set up.

00:34:11.642 –> 00:34:14.822
So I’ll be a lot easier to find it. It’ll be a lot easier to procure some of

00:34:14.822 –> 00:34:16.182
my tools for those who are interested.

00:34:17.202 –> 00:34:20.482
Awesome. Awesome. Well, listen, Tony, I appreciate you coming on today.

00:34:20.802 –> 00:34:25.502
And hopefully folks have some takeaways from this for sure.

00:34:26.262 –> 00:34:27.842
Sure, of course. We’ll go, Nicole.

00:34:27.920 –> 00:34:49.649
Music.